I agree. Ive seen the differences myself, and Im not a kareteka, but Ive worked with plenty over the years. The okinawans are fighters for sure. Just as you mentiond TKD, while there are still "Hard" schools out there, its a sport more than an art now and I believe that karate and many other TMA are following that path. I think much has been lost over the years in the translation of the art and in the instruction as well. Many schools out there operate soley as a business, looking to find the next lyoto machida, and it is taking away from the school, the art, and the student. Kids cant fight these days, and they certainly dont have style! grin