Originally Posted By: Ives
Originally Posted By: Stormdragon
It's absurd to think that training in a combat sport that involves all kinds of strikes, holds, takedowns/throws and such won't give someone some tools to effectively enable them to defend themselves in at least some real situations.
I totally agree, however only one of the named sport formats allows for those tactics. The least limited in this shortlist being MMA.

Originally Posted By: Stormdragon
What techniques you may deal with on the street as opposed to in the cage or ring is largely irrelevant.[/qoute]I disagree, because little sport formats (not only most of the ones named) train for a wide array of techniques. Many sport formats, especially style-specific-sport formats bann many techniques. Whethter these techniques are trained in and for is dependant of the school you train in.

[quote=Stormdragon]There's only a few techniques that need to be addressed for self defense not contained in sport, and you can do that while still basing your program around sport. For example, stomps when they are standing and you are down (which used to be allowed in sport as well).
That all rather depends on the sports format you train in.

Originally Posted By: Stormdragon
But really, the main thing that is different is a tactical and psychological aspect.
Agreed.

Originally Posted By: Stormdragon
Combat sport training is different from physical self defense but not 100% different.
I totally agree!



True, I just kind of naturally hone in on mma because that's what I do (well and I'm a competitive grappler). In any case, just because a particular combat sport bans certain techniques, doesn't mean you won't be able to deal with them in a fight because, at least in mma anyway, most of the banned techniques are similar to allowed techniques and the defenses used for those would work on the banned techniques, I think I mentioned a few instances in fact. That's not the case with everything you might find on the street but much of it, and for the stuff that can't be handled that way it's not really that tough to sometimes throw in some time spent on that in training if you care about self defense. True though, it does depend a lot on the sport format you follow. I train for competition in a few different organizations with differing rules so I train in a wife range of techniques including those banned in some organizations. In some ways there is carryover, for instance heel hooks are banned unless you are a pro, yet training consistently on the straight ankle lock will make your heel hook better because it's a very similar technique so making the jump from the straight ankle lock to the heel hook isn't difficult. All this being said, I tend not to worry too much about the fact that certain things that can be done in the street I don't train for because I know how to avoid physical confrontations, that's a big part of my philosophy on self defense.
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