Originally Posted By: duanew
To make your point you cite wikepedia?


Yes because A. I have the book cited in that wikipedia article so I know what it says and B. you can find the sources at the bottom. Wikipedia is fine for these kinds of things, I'm not writing a college paper here. Wikipedia tends to get fixed extremely quickly when people put BS down.
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Member of DaJoGen MMA school under Dave Hagen and Team Chaos fight team under Denver Mangiyatan and Chris Toquero, ran out of Zanshin Martial Arts in Salem Oregon: http://www.zanshinarts.org/Home.aspx,