Hi,

dont know...thoughless either way would be living in the brain stem, autonomic functions like HR, and breathing. Even a rise to the limbic system entails eat sleep run...they may not be thoughts per-say but recognition is involved.
...ehm, knew a person who knew a person in the late 70's took somethin and decided to sit crosslegged on floor, 2hrs later, so I hear...came from or came to and didnt recognize reflection...no thoughts bout anything, tell this person connected bodily movements to reflection movements...flood of words...consciousness??

By Naming the world is consciousness created?

The monks and Abbott at the Zen monastery were I sat, said not to try to focus or stop the flow of words/thought "Be like the opening of a window where thoughts just blow in and out",

An opening...is that a hole in a doughnut or is it just nothing?

-Karl. Peace. Love. Prozac
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