Quote: Doing the kata doesn't mean flip. Anyone can go through the movements over and over and it wouldn't help one iota.
Your wrong. I dont even need to explain why, your definitely intelligent enough to know why.
If BrianS is saying kata performace alone wont help one iota, then I must agree with him.
Quote: creative, no.. karate is no different. Thats the problem, why do other combative sports (boxing in general) get less scrutiny and are not held up to the same standards? Karate has been proven just as effective as boxing
You're wrong! It has not been proven as effective. If it had how come only 1 person (that i know of), machida, uses karate as apposed to the vast majority of MMAist who use boxing? Chance? No, it's because boxing has proven itself to be reliable and effective. I'm not saying a karate style could not be effective, but so far only one person has notably used it to any great effect.
Quote: but when boxers lose time and time again to muay thai and BJJ etc.. its not said Boxing is ineffective, but the fighter was. When it comes to karate its always karate is ineffective as opposed to the fighter.
Wrong again. I think most people would agree that if a boxer lost in MMA it would be because of the limitations of boxing. i.e no wrestling/ground game. Same thing for karate.
What has happened though is MMAist have found boxing a good system to add to their game.
IMO This just stems from ineffective Karateka who are insecure in their training more so than people from the outside, always questioning.. because they dont know.
As for kata not being clear, perhaps your kata experience is inadequate. But kata always has been clearly defined in Karate as to what it is or isnt. Regardless of bunkai, most Karateka know exactly what kata is and its regards to training.
Apparently not. Look at all the threads with different karateka arguing about the purpose of kata. I don't see that it has been clearly defined by karate, only by those who practice it (or do not).
Quote: The fact that it can serve so many purposes just shows how effective kata training is, not how ineffective so many people preach.
A bread knife can be used for many purposes too. Would rather use a a saw to fell a tree though. ( my attempt at wise words)
"Its only pain, it wont hurt you"