Mr. Morris,

Wow, you put a lot of work into that reply. A lot of links and everything. As I stated on the first page of the website I provided, The ONLY accreditation I plan to seek is that which will be recognized by the US Department of Education. That includes: The Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) at, The Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools (ACICS) at, The Distance Education Training Council (DETC) at, and possibly The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS) at (but the requirements for this one are the hardest and may not be possible to obtain). Accreditation for all of these are considered "legitimate" and degrees accredited by them can be used for things such as receiving a commission in the US armed forces.

Mr. Morris, it sounds as if your biggest area of contention is the whole accreditation area, and I completely agree with you. I have written letters to the agencies listed above to ask if they would even entertain the idea assuming all other requirements were met. I have not yet received any replies. However, as I stated in the very first post, I am interested in ONLY legitimate accreditation, not like the McDojo and McCollege sources you listed (which I didn't visit all of the links, but I am familiar with the type). Other than AIKIA, which I personally consider to be legitimate...that's Bill Wallace, Jerry Beasley, Renzo Gracie, and some other big names. Of course, they are merely a summer camp, not an academic college. If I am given negative replies by all of the agencies listed above, I'm not going to waste my money or time.

I hope I have answered your question(s) about serious accreditation, but that really isn't the purpose of my original question. That being said, and assuming this program could actually get accredited as I state above, then what are your thoughts about the validity of the program? Keep in mind, this is academic only (mat time expected at the student's own dojo) and as a supplement to their martial arts training with their training organization providing their ranking and instructor certifications, should they choose to go that route.

So, I am beginning to see a pattern here, negative responses mainly from the accreditation and quality of instructors standpoint, as well as from taking away the certification process from parent organizations. I think I have answered those questions.

As a side note, there are more legitimate Shotokan Karate and Tae Kwon Do dojos than anything else in the United States. It only makes sense there would also be more McDojos and charlatans from the same. So, I agree with you on that point as well.

Please keep your opinions coming.

Respecftully, Jason