Iíll meet you half way on that. My father was a golden gloves boxer from back in the day, his nose covered a good bit of his face and he had pretty mangled ear. Tough cookies those men.

But Iíll say most modern TMA are way behind boxers in terms of conditioing but not all many train to fight full contact. Donít forget the Kyokoshin and Ashihara guyís theyíre a hard-core bunch and train for the ring. I think most boxers would cringe at the 100-man kumite.
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Pat O'Brien
Southwest Seibukan

Patience my ass Iím going to kill something