*sound of screeching brakes*

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So many people ignore the obvious, positons in BJJ are nothing new. The guard? The mount?



No, no. I am not disputing the fact that you may find the mount/guard in karate (or in your bed ) sometimes. You see untrained people fall into them unintentionally all the time. What I am disputing is that dedicated knowledge of using those positions was present in karate in the early days. It does not seem to be. I have seen some of Pat McCarthy's work on tegumi (he has chimed in on some threads here), and while I find it useful and interesting, the historical connections seem as forced as what medulanet tries to do.

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Even so, if someone like medulanet sees applications of groundfighting in kata based on his wrestling experience, someone most of you seem to think is off his rocker



Again, not disputing that he can find connections, or that it is good training. Just disputing it's existence in karate before 1991.
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