[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lethal Striker:
To trap an opponent's arm against his body is a phon sao, it is open hand but with the fingers curled, cupping if you will.
You curl your fingers so you do not lose grip. It would be tough to pin someone's arm with an open hand.
A pak sao is a specific technique.
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ok thanks..so youre not talking about passing...