I am looking to find information of white crane forms. After reading the bubishi, it seems as though much of the katare kata are related to the same area of china that white crane was developed.
What i am really looking for at the moment is picture charts/video clips of forms so that i can compare them with karate kata(particularly Tekki).

as far as I understand creative, tekki or rather (Naifaunchin) by the time you get back to China is not a white crane form. More a Shaolin though possibly southern shaolin (shorei).

Check back through my other post to your query of opening movements. Its late now but if you email me I will forward what I have on computer to you tomorrow.

Really you should get Nathan Johnsons book "Barefoot zen"

It will help you alot.

Akiba108@yahoo.co.uk

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[This message has been edited by Stampede (edited 09-24-2004).]

Does anyone know anything about a Northern Shaolin form called Hua Chun.
I think this is the karate form Naihanchi was developed from...
This came up on the general MA section. I tried to do a google search, bu couldnt get any information on this form. Anyone got info on it. something like a video clip/picture walk through would be good or link to someone who knows this form.
AKIBA, you thought southern this person thinks northen....not easy...
I will email you soon, sorry for taking so long. I had actually ordered the barefoot zen a couple of days before you posted, from reading reviews on this forum.
Why is it that you think that the 3 naihanchi forms were origanlly one. I thought common thought was that Itosu created the second two to compliment the first? Interesting....

[QUOTE]Originally posted by creative:
"Does anyone know anything about a Northern Shaolin form called "Hua Chun".
I think this is the karate form "Naihanchi" was developed from..."
This came up on the general MA section. I tried to do a google search, bu couldnt get any information on this form. Anyone got info on it. something like a video clip/picture walk through would be good or link to someone who knows this form.
AKIBA, you thought southern this person thinks northen....not easy...
I will email you soon, sorry for taking so long. I had actually ordered the barefoot zen a couple of days before you posted, from reading reviews on this forum.
Why is it that you think that the 3 naihanchi forms were origanlly one. I thought common thought was that Itosu created the second two to compliment the first? Interesting....[/QUOTE]

Have you checked that thread out recently? Or are you afraid to read my reply [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]? As karate practitioners it's good to know karate, but you should understand where it all started. Knowing your ryuha is not enough. Being knwledgeable enhances your skill as a karate-ka. Know everything, if possible.

My sensei who was a senior student of Hohan Soken knows many White Crane sets. If you want to learn White Crane from the Matsumura Seito tradition you'll have to find someone who trains in the forms, like Tony Sandoval or Ron Lindsey. You can go to a traditional Crane stylist (Chinese), but most of their quan are based on performance art and lion dancing. There are some real combat oriented crane shifu out there but they're really hard to find unless you live in San Francisco, Mass. or NYC.

There are probably 7 cats in the entire country who understand crane forms (in Okinawan karate) enough to teach them. It's a different level, but remember that many of your kata, like Chinto, Kusanku and Rohai have a lot of crane "flavor". Learn the orthodox forms well and you'll understand many crane principles. Well, at least if you do Shorin, Goju or Uechi Ryu.

Peace...



[This message has been edited by Multiversed (edited 09-24-2004).]

http://wulin.proboards31.com/index.cgi

Also some excellent MA on there.

Really the only white crane kata that I know of are Hakutsuru and Cinto (Gankaku). Try looking for Hakutsuru, that is the main one since the name of it translates to "white crane".

Its been a while since I looked but I believe it is the Fukien White Crane that is talked about. If so then the White Crane kung fu discussed in the Bubishi bears no resembalance to any Shuri-te forms.

In Goju and Shorin its is said (though it really not part of the kata Syllbass) that the Hakutsuru kata is the highest form or technique performed by the Te arts. I've seen it done at demos or after dinner by the alders, I know some parts of it, just Like I know some parts of Superimpe' (which is part of opur Chart)but it is a part but not an offical part of the Ryu arts.

It seems that the Ryus were really impressed by the WCrane application but found it too long a method of study. Though Goju uses a lot of crane blocking and stepping routine and few Crane movements as found in Saifa (1 leg stance(knee,block,check sweep whatever) kick and Seipa (seen in WC spining twist back fist) among others but there doesn't seem to be any direct connection to purely White Crane.

Naha-Te seems more directly linked to NGo-Chun 5 ancestor Quaun-fa(techniques wise) rather then Pak-Hok-Pai or Fujian Wc.

As for Tekki it does seem to have a Southern Shaloin flair rather then Northern or S. White Crane.

Fukien or Fujian White Crane does look like Uchei or Goju somewhat you can see an begining but there are no simliar Kata except an open hand version of Sanchin and its not done the same.

I see no similarity of Fukien WC to Shorin-ryu from a technical or Kata base.