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#98443 - 07/21/04 06:40 AM military

im joining the military soon, and im wondering which forms of martial arts would be better suited twards that? just a general idea would be good of what types of things would be more effective in those scenarios (grappeling, striking, etc...) thanks

#98444 - 07/21/04 01:10 PM Re: military

What branch of service? Also what will your MOS be? If you are going to be an MP or such then I might reccomend one thing verses another.

If you happen to be joining the Marines, I understand that they have developed thier own specialized system of undarmed CBQ and I would embrace that.

For the purpose of law enforcement in the military they may teach you some basic martail art type of techniques but for the average soldier, there is usuanlly nothing taught. If you happen to join up with the specail forces then will probably get several blocks of instruction in CBQ.

The military attitude is that if you are reduced to H2H then you have screwed up royally. They issue you a rifle and ammunition for a reason.

#98445 - 07/21/04 06:10 PM Re: military
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The marine corp. does have a form of jujutsu they teach. It's very basic but somewhat effective. I don't think the army has anything yet. I know all MP/MA's receive basic restraint and pain compliance techniques. If you are going into the navy or air force i wouldn't bother taking anything for the purpose of preparing for that service, it's not going to be needed much. unless of course you are coming in as an MP/MA. Since your going into the army you might want to look at mma's. Get a decent range of ground and striking. No need for anything flashy.

#98446 - 07/21/04 09:24 PM Re: military
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Registered: 06/09/04
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Loc: Rochester NY
Ok, i am joining the Military at 18 simply to learn hand to hand combat so i wont ever have to listen to all the sh|t i have to take from bullys and their crews nowadays... There is no Hand to Hand combat in the Military?

#98447 - 07/21/04 11:02 PM Re: military

Sorry for not including it in the first post, Army, (HOOAH!) mos 25C (radio operator maintaner) with a ranger option. basically, ill be on the ground with the rangers carryin a radio. in the future i plan to be an officer, hopefully infantry.

#98448 - 07/21/04 11:12 PM Re: military
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In all honesty, they will not give a rat's ass about any MA you know.

Last I heard army did some very basic Bjj as part of basic. West Point did Kuk sool won.

Best thing you can do to prepare is a lot of running, followed by a whole lot of body weight exercises-pushups, sit ups, etc.

#98449 - 07/21/04 11:12 PM Re: military

mongoose, if you are joining the military just for that, i would say marines they have a pretty good martial arts program i hear.(or just go find a place that teaches fighting... and dont commit 4 years of you life... for fighting...) 2gun, rangers consider having to fire shots a problem, they are made to hit quick and get out and if they are having to shoot it useually means sh*ts hittin the fan. marines in fallugah were ordered to fix bayonets after a long fight and low on ammo. (no disrespect intended) mainly the reason i want to learn is just the slight chance i am in that situation, it could mean life or death, i think its a good idea to prepare for it even if it prolly never happens. thanks, Trevor

#98450 - 07/21/04 11:22 PM Re: military
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The Army teaches basic Jujitsu and staff techniques.

#98451 - 07/22/04 12:59 AM Re: military
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I agree with Neko on this point, the service doesn't care if you have had any training. Do you have a degree and can/will you follow orders. You will get some very basic jujutsu in basics but it's not going to be much. You will be drilled over and over on the same few techniques, a good thing in my opinion. You can always find more training in town or sometimes on base after you get to your first duty station. If over seas you may find someone there giving lessons in off time.

If the only reason you are joining the military is so you can fight back against the bullies, you are going to have the worst time ever. If you want to learn MA's join a school. The marines do have a h2h system they teach but you are not only going to be doing that. You could very well end up on a navy amphib or carrier. If you want to see the world, get an education and serve your country then go for it. Otherwise don't waste your time or the militaries. Get educated about the service you are interested in, and not from the recruiters.

#98452 - 07/22/04 07:37 AM Re: military

Yes, I'm very aware of the Rangers mission. But they are not a stealth unit that depends on H2H as thier primary means of combat. Tactics, survival skills, and the ability accomplish thier mission without logistic support is thier claim to fame. While they certainly teach a bit more CBQ than your average 11Bravo gets, it's still not all that in depth.

I guess that I'd look primiarly for a a grappeling art like bjj and I'd learn half a dozen striking techniques and get really good at them. Then I'd learn to use a knife as an extension of my hand and use it in the same manner as the striking techinques I'd leared.

Kicking in combat boots with a rucksack a rifle and a radio strapped to your back and with a kevlar helment on and a gas mask haning on your hip while wearing a flak jacket is kind of a no win situation. The only kicks I'd consider are stompt to the knee and instep.

Good luck

#98453 - 07/22/04 08:20 AM Re: military

just the advice im lookin for. thanks.

#98454 - 07/22/04 04:26 PM Re: military
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Registered: 06/21/03
Posts: 1379
Loc: Newburgh,NY,USA
Lt, realize that there are alot of juvies in this forum..few with any experience in anything let alone the military.
Each step you take in the military you will learn some sort of H2H. Speaking for the Army that is. If you go Ranger you will learn more. SF even more..Det D...still more. All are taught in blocks of belts given. ( the marines award belts and there system looks good so far). So you are not going to learn MA per say. As most operations are weapons ( gun ) dependent that will be the focus of your being an radio operator you'll learn all about comunications.

My advice..if you want to get on the teams..learn a language current to todays farsi...learn your craft well..and as someone suggested keep getting stronger...working out. Go to school if you get a chance...most operators have a college education. Try out for the teams if it is in your soul...never quit!!!
As far as MA...on the outside I would learn BJJ and or SCARS. Good drop and give me 50 pushups you scum!!! Ed

#98455 - 07/24/04 09:10 AM Re: military
kman Offline

Registered: 05/15/03
Posts: 368
Loc: minnesota
Mongoose,,if you're joining the military simply to learn how to fight and to stand up to bullies,,Please stay home. Study martial arts, pump iron, take steroids if you feel so inclined but don't go into the Army. You'll be miserable and a poor fit. On the other hand, if you want to grow up a bit, serve your country, learn some work and life skills, earn tution money and you're okay with the idea of combat duty, by all means sign up. If you really want that ranger option hold out for it as a contact gaurentee BEFORE you sign swear and ship.(otherwise there's a good chance you'll never see it). Army h2h is kinda sorta BJJ based at the moment. It'll change soon enough so dont be too focused on exact details. As for prep? I lost conditioning in basic/AIT. Got some of it back in jump school, and hit a plateau in the 82nd where we did a LOT of running and calesthenics but not much else. The exceptional performers trained on their own time (weights and MA's). Having a good areobic base will get you further than just about anything else. Try for the fastest two mile time you can manage (thats th PT test distance) and a 12 mile march in under 3 hrs with 50-55 lbs combined gear (thats the other standard). Good luck and keep us informed. K-

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