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#98385 - 07/18/04 08:57 PM Try to get out of this one...(Scenario)
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Sam is in a bathroom stall taking a whizz. The stalls lock is broken. All of a sudden while Sam zips his pants up, a guy walks in the stall,closes the door and says..."sshhhh i dont wanna fight...just gimmie your money." Sam says no. Sam is scared and takes a headbutt to the forehead. The guy says "shut up and gimmie da money." Sam then says ok...you want the money and reaches in his pocket and takes his hand out and gives the guy a straight right to the lip. Then another bigger guy pops out of the stall next to Sams, he is standing on the toilet and is an accomplice to the assailant...what should Sam do?

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#98386 - 07/18/04 09:25 PM Re: Try to get out of this one...(Scenario)
mark Offline
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Registered: 03/04/03
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Loc: uk
HIT HIM AS WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VERY VERY VERY VERY HARD!!!

Mark

PS: or as some have said, very fast or perhaps very accuratly [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#98387 - 07/18/04 09:26 PM Re: Try to get out of this one...(Scenario)
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Take out his wallet and drop it in the urinal, then cooly say "Go get it, asswipe."

Then when the 2 guys get fired up, he should pull the flush chain off the urinal and wrap it around his knuckles, kick on of the guys into a toilet with a working lock and jump in after him, quickly locking the door. Beat the guy in the face untill hes a bloody pulp who cant get up. Then same should kick the door down (dont open normally or he risks the guy being ready) and then it's a fair fight, same should whip the chain around in a circle motion keeping it at a high speed. Then when the guy makes his move whip the chain out and down over a hard part of hid body (head, knuckles, shin) then kick him untill hes on the ground, then while hes on the ground kick him a few more times in the head and make a run to get some police assistance.

Either all that, or just run away before the 2 guys can get close to him.

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#98388 - 07/18/04 09:45 PM Re: Try to get out of this one...(Scenario)
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I guess there are far too many unknown variables for me to make any kind of realistic reply.

Once the victim committed to act, he should have made sure that the fist guy is not going to be able to respond again any time soon.

I'll probably take some flak for this next part but, he should yell his fool head off. Screaming "CALL 911!" at the top of your lungs will often have an amazing effect on would be attackers. The don't like attention and if there is any chance help or witnesses will show up shortly they often run.

This is not cowardice, it is common sense. The second guy could easily be armred and if there are two there could be three. When I teach self defense classes (mostly to women) I always advise them to carry a whistle or one of those aresol can horns to attrack attention. I'll tell them run thier car into another occupied car if they have to, but get someones attention no matter what.

[This message has been edited by TwoGun (edited 07-18-2004).]

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#98389 - 07/19/04 02:00 AM Re: Try to get out of this one...(Scenario)
still wadowoman Offline
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If there was no one else around, I would give them my wallet. No amount of money is worth getting beaten and possibly killed for and I don't know whether he is armed. I can't run because he has just burst in the door of a small cubicle.

Two gun gave excellent advice about drawing attention to yourself.

I would try being a hero to protect one of my kids, but not for a few quid.

I can always earn more money, my kids can't order a new mother.
Sharon

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#98390 - 07/19/04 02:42 AM Re: Try to get out of this one...(Scenario)
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Registered: 08/25/03
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Pull out my gun and shoot both of them. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#98391 - 07/19/04 08:46 AM Re: Try to get out of this one...(Scenario)
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Pull Half Guard on the closest one and use my cell phone to call 911.

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#98392 - 07/20/04 02:16 AM Re: Try to get out of this one...(Scenario)
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I dont see why people think handing over your wallet will help.

It shows your weak, and makes the muggers more confident. Besides, whats to say those assholes wont beat or kill you after you hand over your cash.

At least thats the kind of thing I learned the hard way growing up, my original reply was obviously a hybrid of 2 mythical situations one being sam is 8 foot tall and made of muscle and one being of sam staring in an action movie.

But back to my experience, someones asks you for your wallet, you dont give them a reply, you dont pause or hesitate, you hit them as hard as you can within a second of them saying it, they will be completely off guard, once you've hit them once you keep hitting them untill you know they wont be getting up anytime soon. If there is multiple opponents, just hit them in order from left to right, or if your left handed the vice versa. Rinse and repeat.

If you think handing over your money is going to make a vicious, evil, scumbag feel that he doesnt need to give you a nice shiner or worse, your sadly mistaken.

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#98393 - 07/20/04 10:29 AM Re: Try to get out of this one...(Scenario)
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But back to my experience, someones asks you for your wallet, you dont give them a reply, you dont pause or hesitate, you hit them as hard as you can within a second of them saying it, they will be completely off guard, once you've hit them once you keep hitting them untill you know they wont be getting up anytime soon. If there is multiple opponents, just hit them in order from left to right, or if your left handed the vice versa. Rinse and repeat.

While your systematic apprach to a mugging or street aggression may work for you, it will likely not work for someone else. Just do this ignores a plethora of factors that can and probably will affect the outcome.

You might say So What? Go down fighting! Expect no mercy and give none! which would further indicate either an abundance of testosterone driven attributes or a serious problem with reality.

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#98394 - 07/20/04 11:43 AM Re: Try to get out of this one...(Scenario)
goldencrane Offline
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Registered: 02/23/04
Posts: 432
Loc: Kansas City Kansas USA
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Soapurb:
I dont see why people think handing over your wallet will help.

It shows your weak, and makes the muggers more confident. Besides, whats to say those assholes wont beat or kill you after you hand over your cash.

At least thats the kind of thing I learned the hard way growing up, my original reply was obviously a hybrid of 2 mythical situations one being sam is 8 foot tall and made of muscle and one being of sam staring in an action movie.

But back to my experience, someones asks you for your wallet, you dont give them a reply, you dont pause or hesitate, you hit them as hard as you can within a second of them saying it, they will be completely off guard, once you've hit them once you keep hitting them untill you know they wont be getting up anytime soon. If there is multiple opponents, just hit them in order from left to right, or if your left handed the vice versa. Rinse and repeat.

If you think handing over your money is going to make a vicious, evil, scumbag feel that he doesnt need to give you a nice shiner or worse, your sadly mistaken.
[/QUOTE]

Honestly, which is worth more to you? your money or you life? granted if you have the "gut feeling" that your life is in danger then that's when you choose how to react.

But just because a guy comes up behind you and demands your wallet and you give it it up, it does not mean that you are weak. Just smart enough to stay alive and love your family!!!!!

[This message has been edited by goldencrane (edited 07-20-2004).]

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