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#97688 - 05/31/04 09:33 PM When & Why
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 3116
Loc: East Coast, United States
When is it necessary to fight??? [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif[/IMG]

If it GETS to a fight, haven't we failed on dozens of levels to NOT put/let ourselves get into that situation? If I make a stupid comment and get attacked for it... didn't I add to the problem even at some small level?
If I get into the brawl at the pub, didn't I ignore the reality it occurs every friday night there? Didn't I ignore the morons who were clearly starting trouble when I came through "their" door, and STILL sat down, fat, dumb and ignorant?

When are we completely innocent of helping create-cause the problem??? When are we purely innocent and have "no fault" in helping cause the fight.

I'm curious...

Jeff

[This message has been edited by Ronin1966 (edited 06-01-2004).]

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#97689 - 05/31/04 10:14 PM Re: When & Why
JKogas Offline
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Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 10818
Loc: North Carolina
It's RARELY necessaary to fight. I've not been in one in a few years. It was even longer before THAT time. There is generally not one good reason to fight.

If anyone can think of some reasons, let's here 'em.


-John

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#97690 - 06/01/04 12:07 AM Re: When & Why
Tengu51 Offline
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Registered: 08/09/03
Posts: 361
Loc: Ellicott, MD, USA
One of my instructors was once involved in a road rage attack.

Here's what happened:

His wife was driving and made a right hand turn through an intersection. Perfectly legal.

Unfortunately, someone who was also driving through said intersection was unaware of the particular rules of the intersection.

Feeling that my instructor's wife was at fault, and being extremely angry, he followed them to the post office, where he got out and ran at my instructor's wife.

My instructor got his attention and proceeded to defend himself and his wife, because the other man was in no mood for talking.

The point is that, yes, most things are controllable to a certain extent. However, that isn't why I continue to train, after many years and many successful situations.

It is because what I don't train for and don't expect is exactly the thing that will kill me.

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#97691 - 06/01/04 03:14 AM Re: When & Why
still wadowoman Offline
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Registered: 04/10/04
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Loc: Residence:UK- Heart:Md, USA
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JKogas:
It's RARELY necessaary to fight. I've not been in one in a few years. It was even longer before THAT time. There is generally not one good reason to fight.

If anyone can think of some reasons, let's here 'em.


-John
[/QUOTE]

Only one I can think of is self defence (or defence of others)

I agree, hardly ever necessary though.
Sharon

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#97692 - 06/01/04 08:29 AM Re: When & Why
Ronin1966 Offline
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Good Morning Wadowomen,

Good to hear from you again...

<Only one I can think of is self defence (or defence of others)

Lets take these in reverse order. Defending someone else... you familiar with the concept of the "White Hat (a.k.a. Sheriff)Syndrome"?

A martial artist, being a martial artist seeing a situation puts on their big white hat (sic. & sheriffs badge ala a western movie) and goes to ~intervene~ in XYZ.

Uggggggggggh. A child, maybe, but only under very, very limited circumstances of intervention. Adults <shrug>... can't think of too many situations that would drag me from my seat, if I was not already heading out the door away from the scene...

And the classic self defense situation, lets paint some, see if there are any which are "victim" judgement errors, which do not help the situation(s).

Jeff

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#97693 - 06/01/04 09:00 AM Re: When & Why
still wadowoman Offline
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Registered: 04/10/04
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Jeff,
I agree, not always good to get involved in someone else's argument, probably best to call the police unless you know the full facts. I was thinking more of my family.
Sharon

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#97694 - 06/08/04 10:54 AM Re: When & Why
brigadircilo Offline
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Registered: 06/08/04
Posts: 12
Loc: binghamton ny usa
the only time to fight is in following the code of honor , to protect the week and your loved ones....

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#97695 - 06/08/04 11:03 AM Re: When & Why
JohnL Offline
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Registered: 03/24/03
Posts: 4309
Loc: NY, NY, USA
[QUOTE]Originally posted by brigadircilo:
the only time to fight is in following the code of honor , to protect the week and your loved ones....

[/QUOTE]

What if you protected someone last week, or even next week for that matter!
[IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

JohnL

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#97696 - 06/08/04 11:46 AM Re: When & Why
WADO 1 Offline
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Registered: 06/08/04
Posts: 308
Loc: Denver, Co USA
A good rule and the legal rule in many states is that you have the right to use force if you believe that yourself or another is in immediate risk of serious bodily injury. The level of force you legally use cannot exceed the amount of force necessary to end the threat. It is a vague rule I would recomend to everyone to be sure before you fight because if you use excessive force you will get arrested and probabally sued. Just a note there is a difference between self defense and mutual combat, if you have an opportunity to flea than according to the law in most jurisdictions you must take it, with the exception that you have no obligation to flea from your own home.

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#97697 - 06/08/04 12:28 PM Re: When & Why
schanne Offline
breaks things

Registered: 02/18/04
Posts: 4370
Loc: Woodbury NJ
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WADO 1:
A good rule and the legal rule in many states is that you have the right to use force if you believe that yourself or another is in immediate risk of serious bodily injury. The level of force you legally use cannot exceed the amount of force necessary to end the threat. It is a vague rule I would recomend to everyone to be sure before you fight because if you use excessive force you will get arrested and probabally sued. Just a note there is a difference between self defense and mutual combat, if you have an opportunity to flea than according to the law in most jurisdictions you must take it, with the exception that you have no obligation to flea from your own home.[/QUOTE]

Wado, just finished reading a book titled
"The law and Martial Arts" by Carl Brown. It goes into detail about a number of MA cases and you being an MA practitioner.Please EVERYONE THAT IS IN MA READ THIS BOOK!! & what ever you do don't get in a fight and hurt anyone, we don't have a leg to stand on per Carl Brown.Your hand and feet are dangerous as a weapon.

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