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#97673 - 07/06/04 10:46 AM Re: Serious Martial Artist in need of Serious Help
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
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Good Morning Chang Wufei:

Ok.... <sigh> exactly why do you want or need this specific skill (ie to fight)???

As for having spent... 3 years was it, and you have now completely engrained the JKD into you fundamental nature... what does that mean for those who have spent double or triple (or longer) your time studying that art? What does that mean... what are THEY studying?

Jeff

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#97674 - 07/16/04 11:16 AM Re: Serious Martial Artist in need of Serious Help
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having traind for some time and you want to train in tie kwon do, do it you will eather like it or not,
go in to the club free of predudice and stay open minded.
as TKD is a sport you will have to compromise your ability to perform in JKD.
I would suggest trying Kempo as you mite find it simalal to JKD and easyer to adjust

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#97675 - 07/25/04 03:31 AM Re: Serious Martial Artist in need of Serious Help
Chang Wufei Offline
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Registered: 06/09/04
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Loc: Spokane, WA
Hey, sorry I haven't been replying to your posts, I've been away.

I read your posts and would like to say I appreciate all of your feedback. After a while back, I've decided on traditional Ju-jitsu, and then Muay Thai.

Thanks again

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#97676 - 07/25/04 04:31 AM Re: Serious Martial Artist in need of Serious Help
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chen Zen:
The greatest thing about JKD is the ability to raom the MA world, taking techniques, applying JKD pricipals, then making them your own. Dont mind the naysayers of TKD. They fear what they do not understand. JKDs founder,BL, was ridiculed many times for "going against the grain" and he did very well that way. TKD can be quite effective, if taught in a combative manner, easily defeating other styles who fail to train at the kicking range. These "other" styles fail to realise the importance and value of a well placed kick because they see guys do it for points on olympic teams, or they fail to train them long enough to become real assets to there system. I honestly believe I could break a mans neck with more than a few kicks I learned in TKD. But it took years of training to develope that kind of power and speed in a high kick. TKD is the long road for self defense because it takes longer to develope the skill and muscle to deliver some of the kicks with any real power but once the skill and muscle are there its well worth it. Ask anyone whose ever been kicked in the face by a real, combative, TKDst. Like the hermit Kung Fu master on the mountain, these schools are rare, and grow rarer each day, but do exist, and when found, are like the gold at the end of the rainbow.[/QUOTE]

I agree totally. In a roundabout way, I too am a JKD practitioner! I just wish my ankle didn't cramp during our full contact sparring yesterday. Ruined my fun.

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#97677 - 07/25/04 02:55 PM Re: Serious Martial Artist in need of Serious Help
Chen Zen Offline
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Whether they want to admit it or not, anyone who does cross training in two or more arts does JKD. There was no cross training before JKD, it was considered taboo, blasphemous. Not whether or not there JKD is effective is another story but its still JKD.

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#97678 - 07/25/04 05:52 PM Re: Serious Martial Artist in need of Serious Help
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Uhh... Chen Hopkido was established between 1951 and 1958, depending on which take you like. Since it's loosely translated as "The Combinded Arts Way", it is a combination of Korean kicking arts and Japenese grappling and throwing arts. Judo and Jujitsu are both incorpirated into Hopkido.

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#97679 - 07/25/04 06:33 PM Re: Serious Martial Artist in need of Serious Help
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Whether they want to admit it or not, anyone who does cross training in two or more arts does JKD. There was no cross training before JKD, it was considered taboo, blasphemous.

So....Cross training = JKD?

Interesting. What if you cross train in Kendo and Yellow Bamboo? Does that equal JKD?

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#97680 - 07/25/04 08:11 PM Re: Serious Martial Artist in need of Serious Help
nekogami13 V2.0 Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TwoGun:
Uhh... Chen Hopkido was established between 1951 and 1958, depending on which take you like. Since it's loosely translated as "The Combinded Arts Way", it is a combination of Korean kicking arts and Japenese grappling and throwing arts. Judo and Jujitsu are both incorpirated into Hopkido. [/QUOTE]


That's strange, since the accepted definition of "hapkido" I have always heard and have seen in several books is it is the Korean way of saying the japanese term "aikido", which translates to english as "the way of harmony".

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#97681 - 07/25/04 08:24 PM Re: Serious Martial Artist in need of Serious Help
Chen Zen Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fletch1:
"Whether they want to admit it or not, anyone who does cross training in two or more arts does JKD. There was no cross training before JKD, it was considered taboo, blasphemous."

So....Cross training = JKD?

Interesting. What if you cross train in Kendo and Yellow Bamboo? Does that equal JKD?
[/QUOTE]
Yes. While it does not equal Jun Fan JKD or Paul Vunak's Jkd, thinking like this is the exact opposite of JKD. JKD was never meant as a certain style or a a certain system. To give JKD a label such as style or system is to make it concrete. Meaning that it can only be this way. Instead each individual creates his own JKD. Therefore JKD is constantly growing and changing. I was taught the curriculum of the original JKD
concepts and techniques. Following in JKD philosophy, I used what I could of it and forgot the rest. Then I moved on through other sytsems creating my own JKD, as it was meant to be. This way I dont learn someones interpretation of an art but instead create my own art and learn more about myself.

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#97682 - 07/25/04 11:37 PM Re: Serious Martial Artist in need of Serious Help
Anonymous
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Here is the literal translation.

HAP--means "together" and means the harmony of body and spirit.


KI--defines the life and body energy

DO--means "way of life, way of learning".

In Seoul GM Ji began to develop his own style by combining the techniques learned at GM Choi with the Tae Kyon kicks, the weapon techniques, and the spiritual techniques. He called this new material art HapKiDo.

The training he recieved from GM Choi was in Judo and Jujutisu

While the literal translation can be taken to mean a combination of body and spirit, the generaly accepted English is combined arts way because of coming from a combination of different arts.

Aikido's literal trnalsation is the coordintated spirit way as taught to me my Steve White who inturn was trained by Dr. Su Masun of BYU who in turn was trained in Japan by Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of Aikido.

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