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#97506 - 05/19/04 07:57 PM Training videos- Worthless or not?
Anonymous
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I've seen hundreds of training videos for sale by hundreds of "experts" but wondered if anybody new some good ones to recommend. I've seen a new frank shamrock series. Maybe a muay thai dvd. I know I cant expect to learn martial arts from a video but I might as well be in shape and have some knowledge before starting lessons. Any thoughts

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#97507 - 05/19/04 08:52 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
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hey man. i dunno if you like to watch training videos or something. im new to this board, and a really experianced fighter. i got a rep that i cant stand, and thats to fight. But anyways, i think traing videos are cool to watch, but if you gonna learn how to fight, its gonna be you going out and fighting people. the best fighters have a ton of experiance.

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#97508 - 05/19/04 09:09 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
JKogas Offline
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Loc: North Carolina
[QUOTE]Originally posted by brandnew:
I've seen hundreds of training videos for sale by hundreds of "experts" but wondered if anybody new some good ones to recommend. [/QUOTE]

Sure! There are LOTS of them! Some I would definitely recommend are:

* Matt Thornton (Functional JKD II)
* Pat Miletich's series(available from Panther Productions)

That's just two, but two that should be on ANYONE'S list!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by brandnew:
I know I cant expect to learn martial arts from a video but I might as well be in shape and have some knowledge before starting lessons. Any thoughts[/QUOTE]

Training videos are a GREAT source of referrence for your training! They are like having an alive book at your disposal. What's great about them is, you can go home and view these videos over and over again at your own leisure and pace. It's like having a private lesson on specific material that never ends. Videos are a wonderful way also, of learning material that you otherwise wouldn't have an opportunity to study (perhaps the distance for a particular school is too far to drive).

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CLUBZ:

But anyways, i think traing videos are cool to watch, but if you gonna learn how to fight, its gonna be you going out and fighting people.
[/QUOTE]

It would take HUNDREDS of fights to learn how to fight by actually going out and getting into them. That means, getting your ASS kicked MULTIPLE times before you actually start to develop skill. Even then you're likely to develop some very bad habits along the way.

It takes a LOT of repetition of correct mechanics to learn to fight for real! That's NOT going to happen by going out and getting into fights. One of those fights may bring you against an opponent who shanks you and thus "ENDS your lessons" on a permanent basis.

I would recommend finding a good gym and joining up if you're serious about learning to fight for REAL! You'll get just as much fight experience, but it won't be of the sort that "could" get your medical record closed.


-John

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#97509 - 05/20/04 07:30 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
Anonymous
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thanks john. I've seen the reviews for the jkd and it looked pretty good and the panther store is great. and for the other guy if you really go out looking to fight do you always make sure you are in a situation where you know you will win or do every try for the real bad ass.. I'm sure there is something for learning bothways. good luck with that though.

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#97510 - 05/24/04 01:30 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
otobeawanker Offline
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I think videos, a series of photos and what not are great ways to learn. If you have a good understanding of the martial arts and are well versed in body mechanics.

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#97511 - 05/25/04 03:38 AM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
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I think videos are worth watching when it comes to knowing what type of martial arts you're curious about. It really doesn't help you if no proper mentor is there to guide you.

If you wanna watch cool videos, I recommend emin boztepe's wing chun videos. When I saw it the first time, I was struck with awe. Trust me! It's very practical and very useful! Although i'm not a practitioner myself, I know what art is really good!

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#97512 - 05/25/04 07:22 AM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
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#97513 - 05/25/04 09:16 AM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
joesixpack Offline
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Registered: 02/04/02
Posts: 2282
Loc: Australia
You don't even practice the art. Yet you are all *in silly voice* wang chings da best Your a poser. I can bad mouth karate because I took it for years before I realized the techniques have no real life application. I don't think one can call an art good or bad if they don't have a good understanding of most of the arts.

AND YOU FUCKING DON'T! The application of an art goes to the practictioner: YOU were SHIT.

Maybe it was because, as you say, you weren't Japanese so a muai thai round kick cracked your femur in half.

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#97514 - 05/25/04 06:24 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
otobeawanker Offline
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Well you are entitled to your opinion as am I.

To call an individual person shite at Martial arts that you have never sparred is quite ridiculus.



[This message has been edited by otobeawanker (edited 05-26-2004).]

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#97515 - 05/25/04 08:05 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
joesixpack Offline
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Registered: 02/04/02
Posts: 2282
Loc: Australia
That was the most sanctimonous, hypocritical trash written here. Period.

And if I or any of the other adults hit you as hard as they can in the body with a baseball bat, you would die, you fucking moron.

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#97516 - 05/25/04 09:04 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
Isshinryukid4life Offline
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Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 2455
Loc: Knoxville.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by otobeawanker:
Well you are entitled to your opinion as am I.

I have never broken a bone in my life. I won the genetic lotery.

To call an individual person shite at Martial arts that you have never sparred is quite ridiculus.

Techniquies that arn't practical, cannot be pratically applied.

I am just trying to illustrate Martial arts is about being Martial. Not being artful.

Too many schools these days give their students a false confidence. I have used my techniques in the ring and on the street, never finding one person that can match me. I havn't even found groups of armed men that can.

Any real Martial artist should be "Born again Hard." If you can't take a baseball bat to the body. How do you ever expect to take a good Thai Kick. In the UFC those Thai kicks they throw are an 80mph steel rod. If you don't accustomise your body to such things you can only expect to go so far.

I saw a fight between Royce and a Kick Boxer / BJJ guy. Royce couldn't even stand up during the fight and was lying on his back fighting a standing opponent. I havn't seen him fight since. Guess he just couldn't hack it. Thats not gonna be me.

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#97517 - 05/25/04 10:50 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
otobeawanker Offline
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Registered: 06/08/04
Posts: 192
Loc: CANADA
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[This message has been edited by otobeawanker (edited 05-26-2004).]

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#97518 - 05/25/04 10:56 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
nekogami13 V2.0 Offline
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Registered: 04/10/04
Posts: 2643
Loc: Texas, USA
[QUOTE]Originally posted by otobeawanker:

I have taken bats to the body and HEAD
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That explains soooo much [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

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#97519 - 05/25/04 11:21 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
laf7773 Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
Posts: 4064
Loc: Limbo
I have taken bats to the body and head on the street when I was attacked by five people. I was also blinded by pepper sray at the time. I beat them down in under a minute. I had a nickel size bruise on the inside of my knee, that was the only injury i suffered. I have a bent piece of metal as a souvenior.

How old are you and how stupid do you think people are? I grew up in a bad neighborhood and have seen what a bat to the head can do.

You talk about traditional systems not being able to stand up on the street but you have no idea what you are talking about. It's not what you study; it's how you study. Regardless of the system if you don't make the techniques second nature you will loose. If you don't understand body mechanics, you will loose. If you don't have a good sense of timing and distance, you will loose. Every technique has its place and window of opportunity. The reality is some techniques just have a much smaller window than other making them much more impractical.

If your such a badass then why aren't you in the UFC? If you have taken blows to the head with a bat then no punch or kick will faze you. Maybe the blow to the head is what fuels your delusions. Claiming an art is ineffective is ignorant. At higher levels of training all arts hold the same basic concepts and beliefs, and i'm not talking about 2nd or 3rd bb.

Aren't you the one that said he studied ninjutsu from a book? I hope all your studies aren't from books and videos.

Back on the topic at hand. Books and videos are only good for reference. They will not teach you what you really need to know to be effective. They will not correct your mistakes. They will not teach you how to take a hit. They will not teach you timing and distance, you need a partner at least for this. If you are not receiving instruction from a COMPETANT instructor you are only getting a fraction of the truth.

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#97520 - 05/26/04 01:24 AM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
Chang Wufei Offline
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Registered: 06/09/04
Posts: 358
Loc: Spokane, WA
I can say with full confidence, training videos are useless. NOTHING can replace the teaching of a qualified Sensei/Sifu/Sempei. Instructors can correct each of your movements and make them stronger. A two hour video can't even scratch the surface of a martial art.

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#97521 - 05/26/04 01:58 AM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
otobeawanker Offline
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Registered: 06/08/04
Posts: 192
Loc: CANADA
You must learn to read better, your output is exceding your input.

You are making blind asumptions. I never clamied to be a bad ass. Nor have I ever started a fight with anyone. Nor have I ever picked on anyone.


Maybee its just us canadian men, I think we might be more manly then alot of other contries. We grow up fighting polar bears and hunting giant whales.

I assure you a properly deliverd Thai Kick by a skilled practitioner of the art is worse than a bat. The reason I'm not in the UFC is I cant train forty hours week, I have a writing career that pays alot more than fighting.

[This message has been edited by otobeawanker (edited 05-26-2004).]

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#97522 - 05/26/04 09:00 AM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
laf7773 Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
Posts: 4064
Loc: Limbo
My reading is just fine and i assume nothing. Although you havne't come right out and stated "i am a bad ass", you imply it. Now you imply that we are weaker because we're not Canadian? Get over your self. You listed the systems you trained in but didn't say who you trained with. Other than you "orange belt" in karate, what have you studied in an actual school or under a qualified instructor? You claim to be able to take pepper spray, a bat to the head and a "steele saya to the face. You claim over 2hours of training a day, 7 days a week every week for a year and have been "conditioning" your body all your life. But still aren't good enough to get in the octogan? The problem most people here have with you isn't that they are threatened by you, it's the false and missleading info you are putting out to the people that don't know better. At 24 i would think you could com up with better lies than the ones i've read from you so far.

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#97523 - 05/26/04 06:47 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
otobeawanker Offline
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Registered: 06/08/04
Posts: 192
Loc: CANADA
Learn to relax. You seem tense. Most Canadian men are latte drinking yuppies like the rest of the mainstream consumer culture. I was kiding, about the polar bears.

But I did invent the question Mark.

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#97524 - 05/29/04 09:55 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
student Offline
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Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 46
Otobeawanker, perhaps you should be more discrete about your nationality. I am concerned that people from other countries might actually think you represent a ‘typical’ Canadian.

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#97525 - 05/30/04 04:24 AM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
still wadowoman Offline
Improved beefier techno-prat

Registered: 04/10/04
Posts: 3420
Loc: Residence:UK- Heart:Md, USA
[QUOTE]Originally posted by otobeawanker:


Maybee its just us canadian men, I think we might be more manly then alot of other contries. We grow up fighting polar bears and hunting giant whales.

]
[/QUOTE]

Now there's a challenge guys. Can any of you top fighting polar bears and hunting giant whales?
Does anyone else remember the Lumberjack Song from Monty Python? [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Sharon

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#97526 - 05/30/04 04:26 AM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
still wadowoman Offline
Improved beefier techno-prat

Registered: 04/10/04
Posts: 3420
Loc: Residence:UK- Heart:Md, USA
[QUOTE]Originally posted by student:
Otobeawanker, perhaps you should be more discrete about your nationality. I am concerned that people from other countries might actually think you represent a ‘typical’ Canadian. [/QUOTE]

ROFLMAO [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Sharon

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#97527 - 06/09/04 11:13 PM Re: Training videos- Worthless or not?
Chang Wufei Offline
Member

Registered: 06/09/04
Posts: 358
Loc: Spokane, WA
OMG I don't know about all you in Europe, but in the United States, everyone views Canadians as wimps. Just like every country usually has a stereotype, that's Canada's. Have you ever watched South Park the movie? lol manly Canadians, oooh yes. funny stuff.

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