[QUOTE]Originally posted by wadowoman:
Twisting the genitals HARD seems to be the best bet, Sharon[/QUOTE]

errr...., is he like, okay?

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Al.

You can shift your hips over to one side to clear a striking line for the genital area, and then hammer fist back right into the cookies.

I think that's a good first step because it may cause the attacker to shift his hips back to avoid getting smacked in the groin and this will slow or stop his backward movement. From there you can work a leg behind him and shove him over it.

I don't want to start a BJJ holy war, but I don't agree with the idea of going down on the ground and into guard as a good first choice-- if a male attacks a female there is a chance his plans involve having her on her back pinned under him. If she reflexively flops down to guard, he's going to be appreciative because she is furthering his agenda.

Keep your feet for as long as you can, and if getting taken down is unavoidable THEN work from the guard.

The guard is a great place to regain control of your opponent when thrown to the ground. Womens legs are more powerfull than their arms. I would not stay there. The guard is transitional. There are plenty of sweeps to get you back on your feet. Ed

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The guard is a great place to regain control of your opponent when thrown to the ground.
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I agree-- with the caveat that a person (male or female) should do everything practically possible to avoid being thrown to the ground in the first place. Sometimes, we can't avoid it, so everyone should be comfortable working from the ground.

I do not at all care for Prof. Gene's technique in this instance. In my school, there are a number of barely 100# females, all of whom are formidable adversaries, and none of them would attempt that garbage. If you are already picked off the ground in that manner, control is not yours, hence, the fall will most likely be bad, adding to it that the assailants weight is going to come down on you. I am also not much for genital grabbing...I can resist that myself for at least 15-20 seconds. However, 4 inches below the groin, this includes males and females, is some very sensitive skin tissue that can be rolled/wrapped around the fingers...which I have also experienced and the degree of pain is beyond tolerance. This is also useful behind the tricep, sides of ribs, abdominal obliques. Not to mention stomping the instep, back head smash, and if available...controlled eye gouging. Just my thoughts.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ed Glasheen:
The guard is a great place to regain control of your opponent when thrown to the ground. Womens legs are more powerfull than their arms. I would not stay there. The guard is transitional. There are plenty of sweeps to get you back on your feet. Ed[/QUOTE]


If a woman has a bigger, stronger man in her guard, unless she knows some bjj (and is quite good), that guy isn't going to be swept.

If she has him in the guard then it is assumed that she does know some BJJ. Otherwise she'd probally try to get to her knees.Wether the guy is big and strong or not, there still are sweeps/turn-overs that can be used. Ed

[This message has been edited by Ed Glasheen (edited 04-01-2004).]

Ed, not necessarily. Classic rape position(man between womans legs) is basicly the guard position, the woman just might not know that(no training).

That whole scenario was garbage. She should crouch and step left and back while hammerfisting the guys sensitive areas. Whilst stepping back she could easily grab the arm for a arm lock chokehold technique from behind him.

Yeah ok...I saw that one on TV too!