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#95527 - 10/30/03 03:28 PM Re: Headbutt
judodoc Offline
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Registered: 10/10/03
Posts: 152
Loc: Charlottesville VA USA
I like to use head butts like boxers do, short range, usually a clinch, short shots as jkogas said as much to off balance and create space as anything. This decreases the risk of damaging myself too much.

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#95528 - 10/31/03 05:30 AM Re: Headbutt
charles mckey Offline
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Registered: 05/09/03
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tkdstreetfighter88:
THat whill probally work as well. I just know if you have control of his head its best to use elbow strikes, knee strikes, and punches rather than head butting. Also you can throw them off balance really good and send them to the ground.
[/QUOTE]

Yeah, maybe. It just strikes me that using your head *without* controlling the target fully is a colossal hostage to fortune.

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#95529 - 10/31/03 08:30 AM Re: Headbutt
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Registered: 04/17/01
Posts: 2498
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Three comments on this one really.

1) The most damaging way to use to headbutt is to use a "cutting" side to side motion with one corner of your forehead as you propel the attack forward. This leads to a greater chance of opening up the opponents face, especialy on the eyebrows. This has natural advantages of bleeding in the eyes, shock factor etc.

2) The controlling the opponent before delivering the headbutt has some merit (in terms of the clasic lapel grab and pull onto headbut) as the physics of the collision is undeniable. However by cupping the head or holding the hair, you are risking the targets head dipping and you nutting the top of his head or forehead. Both of which will hurt you and damge him less. Furthermore, very few people other than the terminaly drunk or very dazed would allow themsleves to be yanked onto such a blatant set up for the mother of all headbutts.

3) This in many ways links with 2. What may I ask is anyone doing, allowing someone to enter their space with hostile intent to enable the headbutt. I concede its value as expressed in 1, up close in a clinch, with a short range cutting butt. However, closing for the headbutt or allowing an opponent to enter your space to administer a headbutt upon them contravenes all good self defence theory. There are a variety of weapons to employ at punching and intermediate range before lining up the headbutt. It may well sucker the rank amateur or the drunk, but really why are you using such a devestating attack against muppets like that.

In short, the headbutt is a great technique, but limited by the range at which is must by definition be thrown. I advise its use in a clinch or on the floor, but the old chesnuts like standing on the guys foot and dragging him into the mother of all headbuts will not catch out anyone with a whit of experience.

This topic has been debated before on this section of the forum. I'll reactivate that thread for extra information.

Regds
Mr V

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#95530 - 10/31/03 08:58 AM Re: Headbutt
dazzler Offline
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Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 296
Loc: England
Absolutely no question of the effectiveness of this technique..

Lots of uses for set ups , releases of rear holds and breaking out of a clinch.

As a complete finisher its up there with the best in the eyeball to eyeball situation favoured by the 'did you spill my pint' morons.

But use the legs ...or dip the hips ...you need the right distance and if your gonna do it do it hard.

Use the legs? like a footballer ..(ok soccer to most readers) these provide the power , the forehead delivers it.

And practice it against the heavy bag along with appropriate dialogue to get range.

Yes - its dirty.
Yes - its sneaky
yes - its not marquess of queensbury

But if delivered right...mr drunk is on his rear already composing his 'I didn't do anything...he just started on me...' speech that is forever trotted out by the vanquished. And you are on you feet.

Time to beat a very hasty exit.


How do I know this? A man in the pub told me....

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#95531 - 11/01/03 06:26 AM Re: Headbutt
JKogas Offline
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Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 10818
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Chen Zen --

Man, I'm sorry dude. I just saw your reply to my post WAY back.

You'd asked how my tactic would apply to taller folks. Truth is, you will have a harder time trying that one against a taller guy. But, if you're THAT close in against a taller op., you're going to have leverage on your side anyway (too close for his range, your hips lower than his, etc).

Unless I hip bumped him to bend him slightly, it's not something I would try against a much taller guy. Of course, a headbutt in general won't work in that case either. Gotta go to plan "B", lol!

-John

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