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#94397 - 08/18/03 02:31 PM Re: More stuff on knives
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chen Zen:
I can understand the concealment methods but I think it would take a little longer than a single second to remove a knife from your pocket. At least for a untrained assailant. You have the resistance of the pocket, anything in the pocket to fumble over and you still have to get the blade open as well.[/QUOTE]

Remember that if an assailent, trained or not, is intent on using a blade, or is considering it, they will already have it "to hand" as it were.

A small lock knife is easy to conceal in the hand and open quickly with the thumb. How long would it take you to raise your hand from your leg and punch someone? Same principle.

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#94398 - 08/18/03 09:58 PM Re: More stuff on knives
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This is true but we have to remember that we train for this. Many of you who carry knives (I dont) have practiced pulling it out and openening it many times Im sure. Most thugs, thieves and robbers dont have this type of dedication to their craft. Most men dont unless they are MA or Military or police. I have and I dont carry one I just collect. I practice with a sword too but it will probably never take someones head off. While i can see the merits of carrying a weapon and training with onee I think that the cons out weigh the pros and that often a overdependence is assoiciated with carrying these things.

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#94399 - 08/19/03 05:39 PM Re: More stuff on knives
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chen Zen:
Most thugs, thieves and robbers dont have this type of dedication to their craft.[/QUOTE]

I would tend to disagree.

[QUOTE] While i can see the merits of carrying a weapon and training with onee I think that the cons out weigh the pros and that often a overdependence is assoiciated with carrying these things.[/QUOTE]

This I agree with.

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#94400 - 08/19/03 05:47 PM Re: More stuff on knives
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One out of two aint bad [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG] I just dont see the average common criminal practicing knife techniques as much or as effectively as a MA would.

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#94401 - 08/20/03 10:03 AM Re: More stuff on knives
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chen Zen:
[B}...I just dont see the average common criminal practicing knife techniques as much or as effectively as a MA would.[/QUOTE]

You're probably right, but some DO practice to an extent. Particularly misdirection.

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#94402 - 08/20/03 02:05 PM Re: More stuff on knives
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Chen: Went net- surfing elsewhere after that last post (It's a slow day at work. Can't you tell?) and, wouldn't you know it, I found this. It's supposed to have been written by a Crip awaiting trial at the L.A. County jail:
"By afternoon, we would wrestle and box each other to keep our skills up and teach each other techniques. Sometimes the white
deputies would let out two cells at a time to thunderdome and bet on the fights. If you were constantly not up to the task or showed
weakness, you were either beat up badly or told to pack up your belongings and notify the deputies that you were no longer safe in
the gang module and in fear for your life! The more institionalized guys usually did callistetics inside the cells to keep in shape and to keep from losing their size."



[This message has been edited by MAGon (edited 08-20-2003).]

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#94403 - 08/24/03 10:31 PM Re: More stuff on knives
Chen Zen Offline
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Interesting. I wonder if this is the case with non-institutionalized criminals.

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#94404 - 08/26/03 08:37 AM Re: More stuff on knives
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chen Zen:
Interesting. I wonder if this is the case with non-institutionalized criminals. [/QUOTE]

Notice the guy's saying "to keep our skills UP". That seems to imply that training of some sort was going on before being jailed.
That said, I seriously doubt it's as structured, ongoing or complete as what takes place in a good MA school. But it doesn't pay to underestimate the potential opponent.


[This message has been edited by MAGon (edited 08-26-2003).]

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#94405 - 08/28/03 10:55 PM Re: More stuff on knives
Chen Zen Offline
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Duely noted. However giving an opponent too much credit can cause undue fear, hesitation, and second guessing on your part and is also not good. You can tell alot about your opponent by their stance, hand placement, the first strike that they throw, the way the move their feet, facial expression, and so much more that these things have to be looked at and given a split second analysis to to assess the skill or possible skill of the opponent.

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#94406 - 08/29/03 02:47 AM Re: More stuff on knives
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Do you really take the time to "analysis" your attacker. What B.S.. Sounds like you are fighting some sport. That's what I do not like about most martial arts and instruction. B.S. stances, ranging ect. If you fight, just attack the guy and get it over with! ED

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