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#94191 - 08/05/03 02:45 PM Re: Strangles and Chokes
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I think that as a MA'st if you have the skills to render one unconcious then you should also have the skills to resuscitate.

Leave it to the doctors. I've seen too many MA's say they know how to resuscitate them and didn't have a clue.

If you know how to punch do you not also know how to block?

No.
I know lots have people who can punch but haven't got a clue about blocking.

JohnL

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#94192 - 08/05/03 07:13 PM Re: Strangles and Chokes
Chen Zen Offline
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To be a competant martial artist you should be able to block. The point I was trying to make was that if you have the skills to damage you should also have the skills to repair before you can be complete.

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#94193 - 08/07/03 10:34 AM Re: Strangles and Chokes
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I am not sure I buy the whole "you must have the skills to repair to be complete" argument. I am pretty sure that I could do things to people that I would never be able to put back together. That's a doctor's job, assuming things can be fixed.

It's a nice sentiment, and I would love to learn some acupucture/acupressure some day, but it has little to do with being a well rounded fighter, IMHO.

So I tried "folding the arm with a strike" again last night, and no one in the dojo last night was able to keep me from doing it, but I did not find it to be as easy for me as knocking the arm up and off at the wrist. Maybe it has to do with what I have practiced the most, or perhaps the relative heights of the actors involved. Also I think it is difficult to hit a training partner as hard as you would hit someone on the street. I can feel myself holding back a bit when I strike. The hitting up concept is more of a finesse move, so you can practice it full on without worrying about banging your partner up. I find that there is a wide range of pain tolerance and willingness to play rough in our dojo, and my instructor definitely encourages us to play nice.

Anyway...

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#94194 - 08/07/03 11:57 AM Re: Strangles and Chokes
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504Mikey,
Thanks for the feedack. I am going to practice both ways. Maybe your way will work better for me once I have worked at it. I still like the one arm up, one down method as well.
Another two I like are
a poking one or two fingers into the base of the throat (where the V of the collarbone is) poking in or down. Usually loosens the strangle enough or (best case scenario) drives them back.

b sticking one or two fingers into the straight part of the collarbone, digging in and then pulling hard against the bone towards yourself.

It goes without saying that you need to be prepared to follow up both of these with one or several well placed hard strikes.

Thanks again for your input
Sharon

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#94195 - 08/08/03 10:11 AM Re: Strangles and Chokes
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Sharon,

Good stuff! We do the fingers into the base of the throat (two crossed fingers in and down) thing, and I don't think anyone is going to resist that.

I had not heard about hooking the collar bone and pulling... It sounds both brutal and effective. I have this fear of having my collar bone smashed or broken, and I am sure I am not alone. I bet it hurts.

I had good results with the "one arm up, one arm down" thing you suggested the other night, too.

Happy training...

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#94196 - 08/08/03 11:08 AM Re: Strangles and Chokes
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Mikey,
Love the crossing the fingers, much more effective than two side by side.
Thanks very much
Sharon

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#94197 - 08/08/03 07:56 PM Re: Strangles and Chokes
the504mikey Offline
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Sharon,

You're welcome and thank you for taking the time to share some of what you know with me.

I think it is refreshing to see these forums used for (IMHO) what they were meant for, which is an exchange of ideas and knowledge with people we would otherwise never get the opportunity to learn from.

I was hesitant to post on a "what technique is best for X" thread because it seems like so often they degenerate into flame fests.

Thanks again to you and all the other martial artists who contribute here.

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#94198 - 08/12/03 06:03 PM Re: Strangles and Chokes
judderman Offline
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Thank you for the crossing fingers idea also!!

I have found that pushing sideways against the wrists, whilst stepping back usually loosens the grip. If you are unable to step back, then turning the hips against one wrist.

I seem to recall a wrist twist, augmented by pulling the elbow in the opposite direction and turning the body.....but its been a long time.

As a quick first reaction, I was always taught to drop the chin and tense the muscles and tendons in the neck (bit like a drooping grimace). This as well as any backward motion will help to reduce the effect of the strangle.

Thanks for the other techniques, please keep them coming.

Budo.

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#94199 - 08/13/03 01:31 AM Re: Strangles and Chokes
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Registered: 08/09/03
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I'm not very strong in comparison with some of the people that I train with... so the easiest thing I've found for a front choke is to simply use a very solid and very quick chisle fist strike to the front of his throat. If you bring it under his arms he can't really see you doing it. When it connects he lets you go, and IF he sees it he usually blocks by dropping at least one hand, which gives you an opening to do something else.

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#94200 - 08/15/03 03:34 PM Re: Strangles and Chokes
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Physically the thumb is the weakest part of the hand. Any techniques to take advantage of this?

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