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#93721 - 07/04/03 04:42 AM Fear...
judderman Offline
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...is it necessarily a bad thing?

From reading the "Letting Fly" thread, it would appear that one of the primary reasons people don't is because they are afraid, either of the consequences of their actions, or indeed that they are afraid that they don't have the skills to let fly.

The effect of fear has been discussed on this forum before, but overcoming all our fears, is that really a good thing?

Budo.

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#93722 - 07/05/03 02:24 AM Re: Fear...
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Registered: 04/02/03
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Yes.
A wise old man told me "fear will defeat you before your attacker does"

I hate walking away from a confromtation thinking I wish I had.... It's like those really clever put downs you think of five minutes too late. Perhaps if we didn't have fear, we would act as we wish instead of hesitate?

I don't think fearless is the same as reckless. Use common sense to decide where or where not to go, and make the decision before hand as to whether you are prepared to take the consequences of letting fly. Don't be worrying about it if the time comes.

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#93723 - 07/05/03 08:20 AM Re: Fear...
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I agree, I also loathe that "I wish I had" feeling. I actually prefer a solid beating over having that feeling, because at least with a beating (if i ahd given it everything I had), I know that i did everything I could, so I am only hurt physically. But with thatn "I wish i had", that hurts me mentally because its hard to look at myself as a Martial Artist, it forces me to question who I believe myself to be.

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#93724 - 07/06/03 01:25 PM Re: Fear...
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by suzie:

I don't think fearless is the same as reckless. Use common sense to decide where or where not to go, and make the decision before hand as to whether you are prepared to take the consequences of letting fly.
[/QUOTE]

Suzie, I agree with this wholly.

But surely a degree of fear, at least for the consequnces is a good thing, regardless of whether you take responsibility for them or not?

Or should we attune to the "judged by 12 rather than carried by 6" notion, which I agree with to a point.

I see it as a two way thing. We are taught to give all we have when defending ourselves and ,in many cases, rightly so, but many say that they are afraid of the consequences of doing so.

So again, is fear really a bad thing?

For me, I try not to dwell on the "I wish I had...", I chalk it up to experience and remember to use it in the future.

Budo.

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#93725 - 08/06/03 09:55 AM Re: Fear...
MAGon Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by judderman:
...is it necessarily a bad thing?

From reading the "Letting Fly" thread, it would appear that one of the primary reasons people don't is because they are afraid, either of the consequences of their actions, or indeed that they are afraid that they don't have the skills to let fly.

The effect of fear has been discussed on this forum before, but overcoming all our fears, is that really a good thing?

Budo.
[/QUOTE]
I've wrestled with it, tried to repress it and, finally, after yrs. of training, "mu- shin- ed" it out of my conciousness. Recently, though, I've been working on making friends with it. When I feel it, I start by framing the thought: "Hello, fear, my old friend! Come to help, have you?" Seems to work best, but haven't had occasion to test it. We'll see.

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#93726 - 08/06/03 12:09 PM Re: Fear...
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Surely it's natural for most people to feel a certain amount of fear when facing danger. I think the important thing is not to show it.
I know doorman and policeman who admit to having been afraid at times. Dealing with the situation despite the fear is braver, in my opinion, than not being afraid at all.
Sharon

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#93727 - 08/06/03 07:53 PM Re: Fear...
JKogas Offline
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Overcoming fears = good. Losing respect for one's opponents = bad. How to make sure you overcome fear without losing respect = spar a lot and allow ALL ranges during the sessions.

Do this 1000 times. You'll not be afraid anymore.

-John

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#93728 - 08/07/03 02:26 AM Re: Fear...
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Fear is your friend. It lets you know you are about to do something silly, stupid, and dangerous.It brings out the nice and lovely adrenaline, pumps up heart rate, gets you up on edge.Makes you sharp, as long as you control it.
Fear is not the real enemy-your reaction to it is.

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#93729 - 08/08/03 03:58 AM Re: Fear...
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JKogas:
Overcoming fears = good. Losing respect for one's opponents = bad. How to make sure you overcome fear without losing respect = spar a lot and allow ALL ranges during the sessions.

Do this 1000 times. You'll not be afraid anymore.

-John
[/QUOTE]

Do you think this is true for everyone or just certain types of people?

I agree with what you say about sparring at all ranges and I know you advocate sparring with all different shapes and sizes which I also agree with. However, I know you will also agree that the safe dojo environment is very different to a real attack. I never feel fear in the dojo because I know if I am knocked out or badly hurt my opponent will stop rather that kill me as a real attacker would.

I would still be very frightened if the attack was for real. I know from experience that I would not show that fear and I would fight back for all I was worth but I WOULD be frightened.

I don't think this is a bad thing. I would be fooling myself if I went around thinking I could easily take on anyone just because I train hard.
Sharon

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#93730 - 08/12/03 03:01 PM Re: Fear...
Anonymous
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Come on guys!
Am I really the only wimp here who WOULD be afraid if I was attacked? (and I mean by someone scary not an idiot who anyone could defeat)
Or am I the only one who will admit it? [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Sharon

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