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#93464 - 06/25/03 01:51 AM Re: Knives
mark Offline
sword of magnamity

Registered: 03/04/03
Posts: 1284
Loc: uk
I studied a middle eastern style of knife fighting, no idea what it was called.

It was with a 12 double edged curved blade that is fashioned to be held between the fingers (2 each side) and was used in a very boxing like manner.

I found it to be truly devastating. Bloody terrifying in fact!!!

Lots of wrist rolling cuts and back hand stabs.

Never actually found a real blade that was shaped to fit the hand properly, but even a normal blade works all too well.
Royal Marine commando dagger was the nearest

But as has been said in the UK can even carry a screwdriver without it being an offence, which I think is a damn good!

Mark

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#93465 - 06/25/03 02:48 AM Re: Knives
Jim Offline
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Registered: 10/12/01
Posts: 302
Loc: Munich
I used to train at a karate club that taught a bit of Kali/Escrima on the side.

I learnt from practicing and practice sparring with a knife that unless you REALLY know how to use a knife its suicide to get into a knife fight.

I found I wasn't comfortable with the blade in my hand and couldn't really fight properly as I tended to fixate on using the weapon. The best I could safely manage under pressure really was little better than mindless slashing.

PS

Ender how do you propose to get your knife out from your trouser leg in a fight??



[This message has been edited by Jim (edited 06-25-2003).]

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#93466 - 06/25/03 06:17 AM Re: Knives
Fighting Dwarf Offline
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Registered: 03/27/03
Posts: 322
Loc: UK
Jamoni, thanks.

Judderman, I think you are absolutely right. First of all, I am speaking from virtually zero experience on this point, so I'm sure my opinion is not very valuable on this topic. But having said that, here it is anyway!

The fact that you know the weapon is there means you would be more likely to rely on it in a situation where perhaps you could have talked your way out. Okay, if you have to carry a knife for your job, that's a different matter. It's more likely to be a last resort. If you're walking around with a 6" knife at your ankle it's going to be more at the front of your mind - "if someone jumps out at me, I'll just pull my knife out and they'll go away..." that's what it's there for, afterall. As opposed to "if someone jumps out at me I'll just pull my Stanley knife out of my tool box..."

Jim, that's something I hadn't thought of, but now you mention it it makes sense. I assume that anyone who is prepared to carry a knife is also prepared to put in the time to learn how to use it. But that's not neccessarily the the case. Someone who who doesn't know how to handle it is probably telegraphing that fact - hello Mr Attacker, I've got a knife here so, no, you can't have my wallet... I'm just going to wave my big shiny knife around and you're going to go away... ow! oh dear... that wasn't supposed to happen... now I've cut myself on my own knife and you've taken the knife off me... er... would you like to take my wallet now, or would you like to stab me couple of times first?

-Charlie

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#93467 - 06/25/03 09:21 AM Re: Knives
Ender Offline
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Registered: 04/29/03
Posts: 2253
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
I've practiced pulling it out, and I found the best way to do it is to whip it out while rolling. Yes, you ehard me correctly.

Rolling ina situation will...

a) get me out of danger (if ise e where Im rolling to first)
b) give me a chance to get my hand to my ankle intime to get out the blade
c) distance me (hopefully) from my attacker(s) to the po9int where I can think for a moment and evaluate a situation.


If I am rushed out of nowhere, then I dont have to worry because Im not going to pull out the knife til ive had a chance to evaluate whether or not its a life-saving of a good idea. If 6 guys jump me unarmed, chances are, fi I cant run, I wont pull the knife. Why? Becuase Id rather fight 6 unarmed guys while im unarmed, then 6 guys with knives whule I have a knife.

Its all evaluation.

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#93468 - 06/25/03 09:45 AM Re: Knives
JohnL Offline
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Registered: 03/24/03
Posts: 4309
Loc: NY, NY, USA
I can't see rolling as a good option.

Moving on your feet is faster, less likely to cause injury to yourself, and you can control the position you end up in better.

JohnL

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#93469 - 06/25/03 09:47 AM Re: Knives
Jim Offline
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Registered: 10/12/01
Posts: 302
Loc: Munich
Ender

I suggest you attempt your roll and draw manuvouevre with some friends and a practice knife and see if you rolling is faster than them running.

Your post here is just as unrealistic and ill thought out as the one nearly identical one you placed in one of the other threads.

Suggest you reread Jamoni's post and have a long think....

Also a question for the guys over the water.
As I understand UK law it is not so much the weapon you are carrying its the intent for which you are carrying it that is important. Is this also true in the US?

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#93470 - 06/25/03 11:35 AM Re: Knives
MrVigerous Offline
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Registered: 04/17/01
Posts: 2498
Loc: UK
Jim

Under UK law, the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 forbids the carrying of an offensive weapon in a public place without lawful authority or reasonable excuse. An offensive weapon is one that is made or adapted for use for causing injury to the person or intended by the person having it for such use by himself or another. The burden of proving lawful authority or reasonable excuse lies upon the person carrying the prohibited article. Conviction under the act can bring a sentence of 4 years of indictment and or a fine or six months on summary conviction and or a fine. Therefore your belief is generaly on the right lines.

However, the Criminal Justice Act 1988 which was devised very much as an anti knife piece of legislation makes it an offence to carry any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife with a cutting edge of 3 inches or less, in a public place - without GOOD REASON or lawful authority. The term "without good reason" is argueably more narrow than reasonable excuse. In short if you carry a bladed instrument in public (other than a folding knife of 3 inches or less) and dont have a specific and valid reason for having it then prepare to face the consequences. If you dont have one, you face up to 2 years and or a fine on indictment or six months and or a fine on summary conviction.

That's essential the position as regards knives in the UK.

Regds
Mr V



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#93471 - 06/25/03 11:59 AM Re: Knives
Cato Offline
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Registered: 10/13/02
Posts: 1636
Ender, your post is really funny. Keep up the good work [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Budo

PS For what it is worth, I think Fighting Dwarf is 100% right. But hey, if folk want to walk around playing at being Musashi re-incarnate, it's their life they're in danger of ruining, not mine.

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#93472 - 06/25/03 12:06 PM Re: Knives
Kempoman Offline
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Registered: 11/15/00
Posts: 1484
Loc: Houston, TX
Ender,

What you do in your spare time is your business (rolling around and whipping it out) and NONE of ours. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Scott

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#93473 - 06/25/03 03:53 PM Re: Knives
Yoseikan Student Offline
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Registered: 05/02/03
Posts: 1166
Loc: UK
A small penknife for cutting string - occupational thing.......

CARRYING A KNIFE!!!???!!! - Bloody hell, Rambo wannabes comin' out of the closet.

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