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#93574 - 02/17/04 06:13 PM Re: Knives
WaywardMonk Offline
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Registered: 02/16/04
Posts: 4
Loc: Nevada
I am somewhat new to this forum but must admit to being surprised by this thread. I have always believed that every persons ultimate right, if not duty, is to defend their life against aggression and so if that means carrying anything from a padlock with a lanyard on up to a Barrett .50 cal the you do it. As for enraging or upsetting your attacker by pulling a weapon, the very fact they are attacking you seems to preclude having to consider that and to escalation I would quote Bruce Lee " If a man slaps me then I punch him, if he punches me I break his bones, if he breaks my bones I kill him ". This may seem like brinkmanship but let's face it, by the time someone lays their hands on you it past the " talk them out of it stage ". As for weapons being the purvue of the weak... yes, you see they are weak or not trained and therefore need that weapon to even the odds, and to be honest no matter how well trained in unarmed combat you are, when you go from one on one to two, three, four on one it is foolhardy not to even the odds in your favor. What if you are with your untrained wife and two small children when surrounded those four thugs? I would also like to point out to those in the UK that the majority of attacks in America are with weapons and while it would be nice if it were otherwise it is not.

Stay safe.

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#93575 - 02/17/04 06:59 PM Re: Knives
Jamoni Offline
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Registered: 01/17/03
Posts: 1514
Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
Kman, Cav scout, huh? I was in 2d Armored Cav. Regiment, consisting almost entirely of Cav scouts. Some weird experiment/desperate attempt to save the Regiment from decommisioning. Much respect to you. DTA/CYA

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#93576 - 04/10/04 06:57 PM Re: Knives
Jamoni Offline
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Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
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Don't know if this link will work, but I just got one of these, and it's the best $10 I've ever spent.
If the link doesn't work, go to Homedepot.com and search for "Husky knife".
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#93577 - 04/13/04 01:27 PM Re: Knives
Wanderlei Offline
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Registered: 04/03/04
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Loc: Stockholm, Sweden
Okay Ed here we go....

First thing: If your not EXTREMELY skilled at using knifes/defending against knives, you should NEVER fuck with a blade. Seriously, its just too much of a risk. Its not like in the movies, you can get your ass killed man.

Second thing:

If you carry a knife you have to be 100% prepared to use it, or else you will end up in a pool of your own blood in no time cause you hesitated. Are you really prepared to kill a robber just for your wallet?

Third thing:

In a fight, if you pull a knife your attackers will most surely pull theirs. If you cant talk your way out of a situation then just punch the first and maybe the second guy with all you've got. And then if there are more coming: RUN YOUR ASS OUT OF THERE. No kidding, if there are more then three guys coming at you you will get seriously injured if you dont. Im not saying you should be a coward, of course you have to stand up for yourself, but sometimes you just have to drop the pride to save your life.


Summary:

Carying a knife just for "self defense" is STUPID. If you carry one, then it should be for extreme situations only when cant get out of it even by running. And dont get cocky just cause you have a blade, your attackers probably have knives too.

Instead of carrying a knife, go take boxing lessons and learn how to punch hard and fast. That and a good running will keep you alive in most of situations without escalating them.

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#93578 - 04/13/04 06:04 PM Re: Knives
Jamoni Offline
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Registered: 01/17/03
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Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
Wanderlei, there are other threads devoted to the topics you mention. Please take the time to find them. Your ideas are welcome, but this thread was started to talk about the knives themselves, not the logic or ethics of their use as weapons. Thank you.

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#93579 - 04/13/04 06:20 PM Re: Knives
joesixpack Offline
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Registered: 02/04/02
Posts: 2282
Loc: Australia
Ed is a professional soldier and has used knives in combat and extensively in training.

I am sure he is aware of all of this wanderlei.

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#93580 - 04/13/04 09:58 PM Re: Knives
Goju-Ryu Offline
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Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 54
Loc: canada
I carry none.

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#93581 - 04/19/04 11:11 AM Re: Knives
Anpadh Offline
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Registered: 04/19/04
Posts: 162
Loc: Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
Does anyone have any idea what a Kaama is? I may have mis-spelled it as I have only heard the word, never seen it spelled. Basically, it is scythe-like blade with 4 holes in it, attached to an 8-inch or 10-inch handle. My daughter learns the use of it in her MA class, but it seems so ridiculous to me, that I can't imagine why anyone would want to bother learning it. I can imagine someone attacking with a commando knife or even a butcher-knife, but a scythe? If anyone has any clue about why any MA teacher would use such a silly weapon to train students, please e-mail me at anpadh@hotmail.com. Thanks.

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#93582 - 04/19/04 11:37 AM Re: Knives
still wadowoman Offline
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Registered: 04/10/04
Posts: 3420
Loc: Residence:UK- Heart:Md, USA
For the same reason that some styles teach nunchukkas and sword. You can't carry any of them on the street, but they are traditional martial arts weapons.

Training with weapons can improve co-ordination, they can teach you to defend yourself against more regular wepons and (most importantly) it is fun.

If you are still unsure about your daughter learning this, speak to her instructor. If he is a good one, he will not mind at all.
Sharon

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#93583 - 04/19/04 06:55 PM Re: Knives
joesixpack Offline
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Registered: 02/04/02
Posts: 2282
Loc: Australia
I doubt very much the chance of me using a weapon in "real life".

I would bet on the person who trained in weapons in a fight that degenerated into using botles, sticks etc.

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