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#9269 - 07/27/03 04:12 PM self defense
Big Bear Offline
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Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 1068
Loc: Northern Ireland
If you were faced with a hostile situation that you know will turn violent (no amount of talking will calm the other person down), what would be the first move on your part?

Would it be a kick to the groin or knee? Finger jab to eyes? Or a light finger jab to the throat.

Any opinion on the matter would be most welcome. And have you ever used it before?

Regards

Big Bear

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#9270 - 07/27/03 04:40 PM Re: self defense
Anonymous
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It depends on the situation. If I knew it was going to be violent and leaving was possible, I would leave.
If I could not leave and truly believed I was about to be attacked, and was in immediate danger, I would favour a pre emptive strike (or several strikes if neccesary) to the head.
Sharon

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#9271 - 07/27/03 06:14 PM Re: self defense
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#9272 - 07/27/03 06:48 PM Re: self defense
MrVigerous Offline
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I imagine you will get the traditional
"flowery" responses to this question ie:

"i'd kick him in the knee followed by a spearhand strike to the throat and then throw him though a plate glass window."

Er...what a load of bull. A very hard punch (or three) on the jaw is still by far the single most effective percentage strike there is when the aim of the game is to win and win quickly. Everything else is for posers with a death wish and theorists. I'm sure someone will shortly seek to educate me to the contrary but the fact remains that in REALITY when i've connected the confrontation has ended there and then. That to me is pretty good evidence that this is as near to the definitive technique as there is. That and the fact that a multitude of skilled fighters worldwide share this opinion.

Regds

Mr V

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#9273 - 07/27/03 07:03 PM Re: self defense
Anonymous
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How do I know it will turn violent? because he dropped into a boxing stance, slapped me with a glove and announced "pistols at dawn"?
How is he standing? How far away?

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#9274 - 07/27/03 09:41 PM Re: self defense
Ender Offline
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Registered: 04/29/03
Posts: 2253
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Why pick? do all 3!

As for which one first? Depends on what position my body is in when attacked, how large the attacker is, what part of his body is exposed the most, etc.

Mr. Vigerous...A simple punch to the jaw is the simplest (and therefore theoreticialy the most effective) course off action BUT, this is only true if you have practiced punching to the jaw (which most can do instintively). HOWEVER, IF, you, like me, practice maiming techniques to a large extent (as well as punches or all kind, I take a great interest in western boxing), you will be just as suited to jab out an eye or kick out a knee.

It all depends on what you are most comfortable with. As I have stated before I train the most devastating techniques the most i.e. eye, throat, knee, etc.

Why? Because when I fight, I fight to maim.

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#9275 - 07/28/03 02:14 AM Re: self defense
judderman Offline
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Registered: 08/06/01
Posts: 1400
Loc: UK
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ender:
Why pick? do all 3!

As for which one first? Depends on what position my body is in when attacked, how large the attacker is, what part of his body is exposed the most, etc.

Mr. Vigerous...A simple punch to the jaw is the simplest (and therefore theoreticialy the most effective) course off action BUT, this is only true if you have practiced punching to the jaw (which most can do instintively). HOWEVER, IF, you, like me, practice maiming techniques to a large extent (as well as punches or all kind, I take a great interest in western boxing), you will be just as suited to jab out an eye or kick out a knee.

It all depends on what you are most comfortable with. As I have stated before I train the most devastating techniques the most i.e. eye, throat, knee, etc.

Why? Because when I fight, I fight to maim.
[/QUOTE]

Yes Ender.

But remember, whilst he is having his "maimed" parts seen to by a doctor, you will be having yours seen to by the pathologist.

Trust me I learnt the hard way that these so called "maiming" techniques, leave a great deal to be desired.

At the end of the day, if you have the strength to maim someone and potentially kill them by striking the throat, then why not play it safe and go for the KO by hitting the jaw?

Budo.

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#9276 - 07/28/03 05:29 AM Re: self defense
JKogas Offline
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Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 10818
Loc: North Carolina
Boxing blast or straight blast right down the pike.

-John

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#9277 - 07/28/03 05:56 AM Re: self defense
Big Bear Offline
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Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 1068
Loc: Northern Ireland
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nekogami13:
How do I know it will turn violent? because he dropped into a boxing stance, slapped me with a glove and announced "pistols at dawn"?
How is he standing? How far away?
[/QUOTE]

How do you know it will turn violent? Cos i said it would!! Ha ha ha. only messing. I agree that i probably should have described the situation more.

I mean when you feel threatened, when you feel that no amount of talking will solve the issue, when the other person just started to pick on you as he wanted to let off steam and thought you'd be an easy target. We've all saw it in the movies (i know film fights and street fights are two seperate situations but please humour me at this stage), the big guy picks on the little guy for no reason. Before i continue i must say that although it is extremely unlikely that this situation will occur to me (due to my size) it is still a possibility so i must think about it.

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#9278 - 07/28/03 08:04 AM Re: self defense
Fisherman Offline
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Registered: 07/16/03
Posts: 1656
Loc: Colorado, USA
You can throw out any technique, but how do you know it will be effective? How do you know they won't block it?
I would try and wait for his first move and then go from there. Wait to see where they leave themselves open. Movement creates openings for you to attack.

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