[QUOTE]Originally posted by MAGr:

I said in my opinion!!
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My apologies. It has often been my experience that MA underestimate the skills and abilities that boxing can invest in an individual and as such it is a 'pet' hate of mine. My background is in karate and boxing, and I would respectfully suggest that you revise your opinion. Go train with some boxers if you ever have the opportunity. You may well enjoy/ profit from the experience.

Alec

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rougewarrior:
HHe is a great and funny man that has many years of being a ROUGE WARRIOR meaning that he goes by his own rules and gets the job done. [/QUOTE]

Sounds like a rogue to me

Maybe he is embarassed, hence Rouge(red)warrior.
Or all the navy seal stuff causes him to be sunburned.

I believe boxers, due to the nature of their training, are very dangerous people to fight.

In theory the Wing Chun practitioner should win because he has more options. However, that isnt going to be the case. The boxers training is going to be more combative in nature and he is going to have more specialized weapons because, while he only uses a few techniques, he has had the time to go over those few techniques a tremendous amount of time and not just a little here and little there because he had five other techniques to practice that week.

As for reference, my wing chun was in the William Cheung Lineage.

No offense Chen, but it doesn't matter what lineage you studied under if the concepts are missing. You sound like a clever guy, which is why you aren't here defending to-the-death the style you were taught which you feel clearly has some major flaws that you have highlighted. Maybe Cheung is very good himself but not the best of teachers?

Wing Chun shouldn't be about learning techniques, but of highlighting concepts via a technique drill. You can never plan to apply a technique in a fight and so you can only use the training to teach yourself about what concepts you become aware of. Otherwise the "techniques" become nothing more than a different style of kata, some practised routine that you are meant to squeeze into a fight somehow

Don't get off topic by bashing kata. Something you clearly haven't taken the time to understand.

It’s amazing to see so many people knock boxing who have probably never once even stepped into the ring. Boxing should first be viewed as a delivery system. The problem that so many typical martial artists have is that they confuse the ring sport with the delivery system.

If a person bases what they do upon the delivery system of western boxing, adding IN all of the foul tactics, knees and elbows, etc., then it becomes a very formidable method of physical combat.

Boxing isn’t complete by any means. At least they DO spar and at times, spar to knock out – which is more than I can say for many wing chun camps, where sparring is often a neglected practice.

Ultimately, it’s about what the individual can do. That said, I think it’s common sense here that the individual who prepares more athletically, will have a clear advantage over the person who doesn’t. Looking at the “typical” boxing gym versus the typical wing chun school, it becomes pretty clear which camp has the more athletic method. Of course, there are always exceptions.

-John

I'm not bashing kata.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JKogas:
That said, I think it’s common sense here that the individual who prepares more athletically, will have a clear advantage over the person who doesn’t. Looking at the “typical” boxing gym versus the typical wing chun school, it becomes pretty clear which camp has the more athletic method.[/QUOTE]

Even though being athletic is of benefit to fighting (and anyone practicing Wing Chun to any real degree will do a lot of athletic training), a real fight isn't going to last multiple rounds or use gloves.

I also don't think that "Wing Chun" and "Boxing" can be seen as separate "camps" at all. Some of the concepts in Wing Chun are used in boxing aswell, your apparent contempt from Wing Chun means that you are making many false and ignorant generalisations about it, in a similar way to the people you are criticising for their negative attitude towards boxing skills. Hypocrisy is not the best way to communicate your views

As with any approach to fighting, there will be many people out there teaching BS under the banner of "boxing", "wing chun", "jeet kune do", "karate" etc. That is no reason to view all "boxing", "wing chun" etc as rubbish as a consequence

Even though being athletic is of benefit to fighting (and anyone practicing Wing Chun to any real degree will do a lot of athletic training), a real fight isn't going to last multiple rounds or use gloves.


If you think real fights only last a few seconds you're only half right [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

i think that it's hard to say. it really depends on the people and their own understanding of fighting. boxing is very instinctive and that's good, but wing chun is very strategic and about speed. i think that if you fuse boxings mobility and instinctive nature with wing chun's movements it becomes very much like jkd and creates a adaptive, instinctive, strategic nature which would be a most effective way of fighting.