Don't boxers in the clinch show some of the best examples of sticky hands, all styles overlap, there are just degrees of emphasis.

It's easy to say they SUCK from behind a keyboard tough guy!! LOL!

Best way to handle wing chun guys is to tie up their arms and clinch!! Underhooks man! Their elbows stay so far out in front of them (picture chi sau and you'll get the idea). God, that's a knock out waiting to happen!!! A YMCA trained boxer could handle wing chun guys!!

Gimme a break!

-John

[QUOTE]Someting a white belt would say. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by isshinryu kid:
[QUOTE]Someting a white belt would say. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Or perhaps a twelve year old [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

John...whoa...dude...I was kidding. *flips the man some Ritalin* You couldn't pay me enough money to go in against Lewis or Tyson...at least not at the level I'm at right now. LOL!

You're completely missing my point as well. No going to ground, no grappling, no clinching. No contact. I'm asking for strategy here, not special magic techniques. It's a highly controlled environment 1) because my main sparring partner is prone to concussions and 2) because I want to force myself to think beyond my normal strategies. I've got plenty of power and a bit of juice for the longer-haul. My footwork could definitely use a bit more practice but it's passable. This is not my "full contact" training environment, but it's my 'lab' (as Senseilou put it, which is a great way of viewing it!)

So let's bring it back to the original point for those who haven't contributed (I would appreciate if you did!). You've got a WC guy of decent size who is taking it to you on the offensive. Besides the clinch, what other strategies/techniques would you use?

Regards,
CrimsonTiger

In wing chun your tought to watch the elbows and since a boxer only punches it makes it easy for a wing chun guy win because they and tought for real life stuff and boxing is just compitition realy.

We talk about a "boxer" as if he is a person, and not a persons, i beleive its the fighter who fights, not the style. I just don't think you can generalise a boxer vs a wing chun student...

There both fighting styles, i say learn both.

Wing Chun works on the centre line philosophy so I think the answer is to not to give your opponent the chance to come at you with his linear attacks.

I have trained in Karate for many years, over the last few I have also studied Wing Chun. In Karate classes I have been known to use Wing Chun techniques, when they land my opponents usually cannot understand why they keep getting hit. I'm moving fast in a straight line and hitting them multipy times, why???

I'm using techniques they have not seen before, call it cheating, OK..but after time they learn my tricks and I have to find new ones.

Other chinese styles that use a circular movement such as Ba Qua have been known to work well against WC, by moving in a circle around the WC artist you are limiting their chances to come at you straight on.

I am a great believer that no one style is better that another. Each style has its own good points and bad. The real art is to take what works from each style and use it. And learn the weak points in each style - every style will have these.....

well said Khayman-I agree totally. when we use to spar when we were more Shito Ryu, and sparred regularly, everyone knew your habits and combinations. We added trapping from Wing Chun and other styles, and all of a sudden people were having a hard time with us. Then the question was, "who taught you that" and "we don't spar like that" Yea well you have heard all the comments before, so why not, what ever gives one the edge, and something for you to practice, whats the harm. Lead with some Jabs and come back with a backfist off a trap and watch the confused looks. Best style, no style

Well said Lou! I believe that footwork may be the key for you CT. Look at the angles of attack. Try to see the attack coming and step to the side at a 45 then launch your attack. I also train with a WC artist from time to time and had the same problems. I taped one of our matches as I often do and saw that if I side step then I could counter much easier. I applied this the next time and faired much better. I also found that Muay Thai style elbows and knees work well when you do get trapped up especially the knees as WC utilizes very few kicking techniques. Hope it helps and good luck Chen Zen