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#91609 - 07/10/03 07:21 PM Re: Kicks in Real Combat?
JKogas Offline

Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 10818
Loc: North Carolina
Yoseikan Student makes a DAMED good point that many on here would do well to consider. Have you all faced a hundred different opponents and thrown a hundred kicks (punches or whatever)? How is it that you can claim to know what "works" and what doesn't?

I definitely say that kicks are bad news. I say this from my own experience but even more humorously, from having witnessed many people over the years TRYING to kick (and failing bad I must say).

There's NO time to kick in a real fight boys against worthy competition. But hey, don't take MY word for it (heh, heh, heh)


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#91610 - 07/10/03 09:49 PM Re: Kicks in Real Combat?
mark Offline
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Registered: 03/04/03
Posts: 1284
Loc: uk
Well said, John,

I like to think that I can kick hard, not very flexible, but a body kick should do….

Well, I got into a scrap at work 2 weeks ago 7 v 2, I hit this rather large body builder with a front kick to the pubic area,(I was being held by one of his mates in a bear hug at the time) it knocked him back a few feet, but he came right back at me!

We survived with only a few minor bruises, but only by pure luck and the intervention of others..

Maybe if I had been able to chin the guy with the kick it would have worked, but it was certainly “red alert “ for a while..


#91611 - 07/12/03 03:05 AM Re: Kicks in Real Combat?
joesixpack Offline
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Registered: 02/04/02
Posts: 2282
Loc: Australia
I would say yes, and I know I am bloody slow, and must use timing to it's full advantage.

Kicks are too easy to counter for an experienced or "seasoned" fighter, so keep em low unless the opportunity presents itself.

And don't kick unless you are fast and have been doing conditioning.

#91612 - 07/12/03 09:35 AM Re: Kicks in Real Combat?
Ender Offline
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Registered: 04/29/03
Posts: 2253
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Well, the reason I train ONLY to disable, is that in my surrounds area there are some VERY sick individuals.

Many of the junkies whom you could clock with a damn baseball bat in the side of the head, and they just keep coming, only now they got a smile on their face.

These are the kinds of guys I train for, the guys who arent going to feel if I break their nose or rip an ear or nostril off.

If I break their leg, they cant attack me anymore. So thats what i train for. That along with many other disabling counters (such as eye/heart/spine shots, etc).

#91613 - 07/12/03 02:56 PM Re: Kicks in Real Combat?
Chen Zen Offline
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Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 7043
Loc: Ms
Kicks can work for combat if done properly. Any attack is a risk but you have to weigh the risks and the benifits. Punches are faster, leave less open area but they dont have the powere or range of kicks. A equal portion of both with skill in both makes for a good fighter.

#91614 - 07/12/03 10:37 PM Re: Kicks in Real Combat?
joesixpack Offline
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Registered: 02/04/02
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Ender, if you clock someone in the side of the head with a baseball bat, regardless of the physiological effects of narcotics, and their head isn't smashed in, go to the gym, or to a baseball coach.

One blow like this should be able to kill most people.

#91615 - 07/13/03 10:32 AM Re: Kicks in Real Combat?
HKD_Martin Offline

Registered: 07/13/03
Posts: 12
Good resources on the subject have already posted, just my two cents:

In general my favorite kick in any S/D situation is:

The one that get to it's target.

Low, fast, powerful, and opportunistic(wherever their guard is not).

I have used high kicks in S/D, but looking back, I was a lot younger then- I wouldn't try them now- I've been in MArts long enought to have more options than just the kicks, punches, and combos I knew then.

#91616 - 07/13/03 11:46 AM Re: Kicks in Real Combat?
Ender Offline
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Registered: 04/29/03
Posts: 2253
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada

I have played baseball.

I swing hard.

People like this will be REALLY hurt by a hit to the head. But they wont feel it til after theyve rammed a tire iron down your throat.

Their some of the sickest individuals I've ever seen.

Don't believe me? Fine. Though I suggest you Don't come down to my area and pick a fight.

#91617 - 07/13/03 07:48 PM Re: Kicks in Real Combat?
joesixpack Offline
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Registered: 02/04/02
Posts: 2282
Loc: Australia
Ender, people have been KO'd and died after being punched or hit over the head with a bottle full of Johnnie Walker.

Kicks certainly have had the same effect.

A full force blow with the business end of a hard aluminium tube to the weakest part of an adult skull will lead to a loss of consciousness and future damage, and quite possibly death.

#91618 - 07/13/03 08:05 PM Re: Kicks in Real Combat?
Jamoni Offline

Registered: 01/17/03
Posts: 1514
Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
Ender, aren't you from CANADA? I thought the roughest thing to come out of Canada was Hockey. I like your strip clubs, but I must have missed all those junkies when I was in Montreal. (Admittedly, I was so drunk I didn't know I was IN Montreal until I asked some chick why SEXE was spelled with two "E"s! No matter how cool it sounds, never buy a bus ticket until you sober up!)

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