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#91494 - 01/13/03 02:39 PM Re: The one punch kill - potential concern
senseilou Offline
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I like "Joes" answer, about the Nurses. Just kidding but my Sensei told me the same thing, better to be judged by 12 than carried by six. I also like the open hand strikes, like heel palms to chin, nose jaw etc. However my greatest victory would be to have the person leave for fear he was barking up the wrong tree. The best technique is.........No technique at all, hopefully avoid the fight, but make your point! If a confrontation does occur, I try to see the level of the confrontation, and then take the situation in stages, maybe embarrass to control, contol to hurt, hurt to injure etc. Unless it's a life or death situation, I would refrain from 1 punch 1 kill mentality, and try to maybe control the situation. Another thought is to try to do some damage that is not so easily seen in court, like say a broken rib, so when he breathes he remembers you, but doesn't look like his face has been put through a meet grinder.

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#91495 - 01/13/03 10:53 PM Re: The one punch kill - potential concern
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If the best target on the head is the nose then how easy is it for the nose bone to brake and stab your brain and can this happen with a straight punch?

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#91496 - 01/14/03 04:05 AM Re: The one punch kill - potential concern
Jim Offline
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SenseiLou has a good point try intimidation.

Refering to my previous mail:

Regarding Jaw strikes(and to the head in general) in this case I am not advocating a full power blow as I don't think for the scenario painted its neccessary. One could also add the side of the neck to the target list as long as the blow is relatively light as the effect will be the same as a strike ot the jaw.

I have knocked people out in kick boxing sparring a few times and accidentaly in Karate competitions as well. Generaly it is suprising how little force is required if the blow is well placed and timed. Its very easy to either get someone to a standing knock out or a full knock out especialy if they are inexperienced as they will not have learned to get through that swimming sensation of a blow to the head gives you.

Jim

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#91497 - 01/14/03 08:28 AM Re: The one punch kill - potential concern
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roundhouser,

It doesn't happen like that. Look at a skeleton. Do you see a nose-bone?

It's mainly cartilage and soft tissue. It can't "stab up into the brain"...apparently it's possible to do some damage, but HIGHLY unlikely.

Regards,
CrimsonTiger

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#91498 - 01/14/03 09:06 AM Re: The one punch kill - potential concern
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim:
SenseiLou has a good point try intimidation.

Refering to my previous mail:

Regarding Jaw strikes(and to the head in general) in this case I am not advocating a full power blow as I don't think for the scenario painted its neccessary. One could also add the side of the neck to the target list as long as the blow is relatively light as the effect will be the same as a strike ot the jaw.

I have knocked people out in kick boxing sparring a few times and accidentaly in Karate competitions as well. Generaly it is suprising how little force is required if the blow is well placed and timed. Its very easy to either get someone to a standing knock out or a full knock out especialy if they are inexperienced as they will not have learned to get through that swimming sensation of a blow to the head gives you.

Jim
[/QUOTE]But Jim,I'd rather strike the knee,Or the groin,Maybe even the thigh,Or the arch of the foot. BUt I'd avoid the head,Cuz we who are in the M/as,hav more power than the average person.But thats just my opinion. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#91499 - 01/14/03 09:12 AM Re: The one punch kill - potential concern
isshinryu kid Offline
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[QUOTE]I Hav a question,Is'nt the 1 punch kill a phylosophy of shotokan?

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#91500 - 01/14/03 09:37 PM Re: The one punch kill - potential concern
CrimsonTiger Offline
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Y'know, I've always been taught that's part of all karate. But I'm not so sure of that anymore...seems kind of a blanket-statement to say that. Especially when all karate traces back to China/Kung Fu...decidedly not the same mentality.

Regards,
CrimsonTiger

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#91501 - 01/15/03 12:49 AM Re: The one punch kill - potential concern
senseilou Offline
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This 1 punch 1 kill thing really tickles me. I also heard it as a Shotokan concept, but then was told it's a Karate Concept. I know of an Okinawan style(I won't say which one) that has a tendency to be rather soft, and one of their students told me her Sensei said they were a 1 punch 1 kill art. her punches were technically bad, no transmission of power, no power no nothing. She being of a slight nature I tried to explain her need to be technically correct, because of the mass she was giving away. Yet she believed she could stop an attacker with 1 punch. She was a brown belt so we are not talking a beginner, and my 12 year old students punch harder. Not only could she not even move me with her best shot, she hurt her hand when she hit me. Point of this is, the mentality of the one punch -one kill maybe doing some people an injustice.

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#91502 - 01/15/03 02:39 AM Re: The one punch kill - potential concern
Jim Offline
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I think in Shotokan its more emphassised but more in the sense trying to train you to deliver 100% committed blows correctly rather than anything else.

Isshinryukid:
No argument a broken knee would stop them however I would avoid the knee for this sort of person purely because as Mr V discribed they are not a serious threat, so damaging them permenantly seems a bit overkill. A nasty scrape/stamp down the front of the shin would be good though [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#91503 - 01/15/03 10:52 AM Re: The one punch kill - potential concern
CrimsonTiger Offline
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But 100% on every technique isn't necessarily good either. That mentality DEFINITELY isn't good in the ring...and even on the street, I'd rather fight smart than fight with 100% spirit...you'll be exhausted within a minute, maybe 2 if you have good cardio! LOL!

Regards,
CrimsonTiger

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