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#91472 - 04/16/02 04:21 AM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
omegapoint Offline
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Registered: 02/24/01
Posts: 150
Like 'Wolf said- 100% myth! A severly broken nose can often begin to end a fight. I've seen these types of strikes decide who was the arse kicker and who was the kickee in a street fight! Ouch!

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#91473 - 05/02/02 05:58 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
Alejandro Offline
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Registered: 05/02/02
Posts: 940
Loc: Las Cruces, NM USA
Wow! What a lot of different opinions! Well, my opinion is that it is possible! Enough upward force to the bottom of the nose can shatter the bone, and yes, the cavity does connect to the brain, so why wouldn't fragments of bone be sent into the brain??!

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#91474 - 05/03/02 06:28 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
MrVigerous Offline
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Registered: 04/17/01
Posts: 2498
Loc: UK
Because there is more bone in between your fragments and the old grey matter. It is not just cartilage with your brain floating happily behind it. I am 100 % convinvinced that this is impossible to achieve with an anatomicaly normal human. If it were possible, professional boxers would be dropping dead like flies from taking uppercuts that connect with the point of the nose. I am willing to concede that if you used a sledge hammer you might have some joy, but otherwise i dont think you can hit hard enough to break through the intervening bone mass.

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#91475 - 05/04/02 10:27 AM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
Shadowfax Offline
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Registered: 10/08/01
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Well, you CAN break the nose in such a way that fragments could potentially get into the brain. You have to first do a side strike (as in a backfist to the bridge of the nose) - -that breaks the bone, at which point a palmheel would send it up and backwards. Problem is I have never seen evidence that this would KILL someone- - at best it might remove their sense of smell or some higher reasoning functions. You'll be sending these bone fragments into the base of the front and bottom of the brain. The olfactory tract and olfactory bulb are there so it's possible you could sever the olfactory tract and remove their ability to smell things. I suppose you could also hit the cortex at which point they might have some psychological programs- - -but the stuff that regulates life itself - -heartbeat, breathing, etc. . you'd have to drive those nose fragments way back into the rear of the brain - -to do that you'd have to get a sledge hammer and bash his face in. . .

I think this myth arose from the idea that if you stab something into the brain it WILL cause death. That idea is wrong, as a British railroad worker was good enough to prove when he somehow managed to drive a railroad spike through his head. He survived, but the spike went through the areas that control personality, and from what I've read it turned him into a royal jerk.

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#91476 - 06/16/03 03:08 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
llnohmrel Offline
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Registered: 05/23/03
Posts: 20
when i started isshin ryu i was given a handbook. it lists five areas to kill:
- spine
- kidney
- heart
- nose
- temple.

After nose it says to strike in an upward motion with a palm heel. shards of nose go spike the brain. brain dies.

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#91477 - 06/16/03 04:20 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
MrVigerous Offline
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Registered: 04/17/01
Posts: 2498
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Er well if you are ever short of kindling to start a fire id suggest you turn to that handbook then.

Regds
Mr V

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#91478 - 06/16/03 06:36 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
JohnL Offline
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Registered: 03/24/03
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MrVigerous:
Er well if you are ever short of kindling to start a fire id suggest you turn to that handbook then.

Regds
Mr V
[/QUOTE]

Damn. You beat me to it [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#91479 - 06/16/03 08:44 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
Ender Offline
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Registered: 04/29/03
Posts: 2253
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Youve lost your touch, JohnL!

Mr. Moderator beat yah to the punchline.



[This message has been edited by Ender (edited 06-16-2003).]

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#91480 - 06/17/03 09:06 AM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
Kotetsu Offline
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Registered: 04/17/03
Posts: 314
Loc: Hollis, NH, USA
The nose is almost completely composed of cartilage, thereby making it impossible to sove it into the brain. A blow that is hard enough to get it the far would just destroy the cartilage. Besides that the cartilage is attached to the skull. That being nose strikes still hurt and all but no kill.

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#91481 - 02/28/09 02:16 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth? [Re: mailorderkidney]
jgill12775 Offline
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Registered: 02/28/09
Posts: 1
I have just finished yet another book where the heroine female Rambo type escapes by driving her attacker's nasal bone into his brain. What a crock. I have been a surgical physician assistant for 34 years and a long time student of the martial arts. Absolutely impossible to kill anyone by this method. The anatomy of the skull won't allow you to do it. To get to the brain you would have to drive a very thin piece of bone through a very hard and thick piece of bone. Here is a little experiment - take a 1/16th inch thick piece of triangular shapped wood, it can even be a hard wood like oak, set the base of the triangle on a piece of 2X4 and taking another piece of 2X4 start tapping the pointed end (you don't even have to smash it - unless you just want to) What happens? It splinters and doesn't even scratch the 2X4 that you are trying to drive it into. However, it is an excellent technique to convience an attacker who has grabbed you, to let you go. You will break the thin nasal bones and he will be disoriented enough so that he will let you go long enough for you to depart the area.

Jim Gilliam, MPAS, PA-C
MEDICAL OFFICER
USNS ARCTIC T-AOE 8


Edited by jgill12775 (02/28/09 02:31 PM)

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