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#91462 - 03/03/02 05:11 PM driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
mailorderkidney Offline
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i'm sure everyone has heard about the palm strike to the nose killing someone by driving bone fragments into the brain. i've always just dismissed that as myth... anyone want to confirm that?

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#91463 - 03/03/02 06:14 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
MrVigerous Offline
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Hmmm - well not being a medical man i can't say for sure, but im fairly certain that the anatomy of a human being makes it impossible to drive slivers of shattered nasal bone into the brain. Though this is an oft touted method of dispatching people on the big screen im damn sure its a myth. If anyone can show me that im wrong then i'd be glad to be corrected. In any case the palm heel strike to the nose is still a good technique.

Regds

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#91464 - 03/04/02 02:57 AM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
joesixpack Offline
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It's damn near impossible as you need to break the bone ABOVE the cartelige (spelling?), and then ram it up on what I would call a "rude" angle, you cannot genrate much force in this way.

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#91465 - 03/07/02 04:15 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
Oldwolf Offline
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Complete myth, I thought that this 'Hollywood' / james Bond crap had been dispelled years ago.
What bone in the nose?
Read mashiros (sp?) 'The black art of death' which may give some viable explanations for the myth such as striking the inter maximilary suture, and severing the spinal column.(possible if you strike them horizontally with a machete)
You don't hear about many contact fighters gloved or otherwise dying from this mythical blow do you now?

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#91466 - 03/13/02 03:37 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
Oldwolf Offline
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Wot no takers!.

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#91467 - 03/16/02 05:00 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
JediKungFu Offline
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This reminds me of Jack Nicholson in Con Air somewhere around the beginning. Him and his wife(from what I remember) were walking out of a bar, were jumped, and since Nicholson was in the Military and hit the guy in such a way that the nose bone shot straight up the guys brain and killed him. Forgive me if I'm wrong. Anyways, I believe it COULD be possible. For what I think, it really depends how the fight it going. Plus Anatomy you gotta think of. The way the bone structure is built it seems like it could be really hard to do. Somebody could develope enough force if they had the right amount of momentum.

~Ashley

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#91468 - 03/16/02 05:01 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
JediKungFu Offline
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Ack! Sorry about my first post before this. I think I meant NICHOLAS CAGE and not JACK NICHOLAS(I'm thinking of a golfer I'm sure of) ah, what the heck. Just pardon any mistakes I have. Thanks

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#91469 - 03/17/02 12:38 AM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
Harpoon Offline
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Actaully its not, something similar to it is incorperated into the US Marine hand to hand combat system. If you find yourself in an unarmed confontration with an enemy you need to take them out as fast as possible. One of the exercises is a reaction towards the standard "arms outward to wrap around your neck and choke you" opponent. In this you grab one of the arms on the inside of the wrist with one of your arms, then use your other to apply pressure to the elbow and lock the arm, pushing downwards to force your opponent into a hunched over position in which you break the elbow, kick them in the face then use the same leg to sweep/trip their legs out (all the while holding onto the arm) and ram the heel of your boot into the bridge of the nose...im not sure if its called the bridge, its the area right above your upper lip and directly underneath the nostrils (try putting your finger there, you can feel a crease). This shatters the bone and causes death.

[This message has been edited by Harpoon (edited 03-17-2002).]

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#91470 - 03/17/02 12:31 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
Oldwolf Offline
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JediKungFu - you wanting to believe doesn't make the technique any more real, palm heel to the chin or half fist to the throat aremore realistic.

Harpoon - The area you describe is called the philtrum and the crease you can feel is the intermaxillary suture, blows to this area will break upper teeth, may cause concussion to the brain as the is a solid conection (maxilla), but unless the blow is hard enough, focussed in that small area, and causes the small bone (dens) that keeps the head on the top of the spinal column to sever, death will not occur unless your marine boot heel has completely crushed the skull and brain, despite what they may have said at boot camp.

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#91471 - 03/17/02 05:10 PM Re: driving the nose bone into the brain.... myth?
MrVigerous Offline
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Spot on Oldwolf, thanks for such a precise description.
Once and for all I think that we can consign the mythical "nose through brain" palm heel strike to the same hellish dustbin of dire and unlikely techniques as overhead x-blocks to stop downward knife attacks and dropping you weight to the floor to get out of a standing full nelson.
Not wishing to pore scorn on the US Marine unarmed combat programme, but anyone who attempts (Quote) "arms outward to wrap around your neck and choke you" is a cretin and should simply be taken out. In doing this I would make two points.(1) The combination that you describe is a little over elaborate when (Quote)"you need to take them out as fast as possible" and (2)in a battlefield situation with an army boot on, you'd probably not bother / have a job hitting such a precise spot - when in any case crushing the skull with the heel stamp has been a standard battlefield finishing move taught since WWI.
Regards

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