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#91219 - 10/29/01 02:42 PM Defending others
judderman Offline
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Registered: 08/06/01
Posts: 1400
Loc: UK
Most, if not all, of these posts are concerned with SELF defense.

How do you defend others?? Would you defend others??

My first teaser.....

Whilst walking through town/the local mall, your attention is drawn to a man and woman arguing. This rapidly degenerates into physical violence.....

What do you do??

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#91220 - 10/29/01 06:26 PM Re: Defending others
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Registered: 04/17/01
Posts: 2498
Loc: UK
Well judderman, we really are getting deep here aren't we lol!
This is as much an ethical question as a practical issue of combat. The law in the UK and in most countries of the world, gives you the same or similar rights to defend others as it does to defend yourself. Further more, you are often (in some jurisdictions) entitled to use reasonable force in the provention of crime and in the defence of property. However, the question really must be, harsh as it sounds, if the individual in question isn't a member of your family or a friend of yours, then is it really worth getting envolved? Surely, going looking for other people's trouble is contrary to the most basic rule of self defence - dont be there! If you have a statutory duty to act, as an officer of the law or some other legaly interested party then fine, so be it, but why bring possible violence and/or litigation upon yourself for no reason, over what (in your example) is a "domestic" that's turned nasty. Ok so I may sound unduly cynical and callous, but lets face it, our job is not to play "superman" just because we train in the martial arts. At the end of the day, its a personal matter and personaly I couldn't just walk past someone being raped down an alley or an elderly gentleman being beaten up for a few pounds without intervening. However as far as the couple having a fight outside a bar or some other dispute of that nature, then frankly they can get on with it, its not my business.
Regds and good training

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#91221 - 10/30/01 09:39 AM Re: Defending others
P Carney Offline
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Registered: 04/10/01
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Good topic. Let me ask this- would you help your friend in a fight, even if he caused it (not so much throw the first punch, but definatly stirred up trouble). I ask because this almost happened this weekend. My friend got in a arguement with a bouncer when the guy berated him for being loud and not acting his age (in a loud, crowded bar!). If it had come to blows (unlikely, as we would of left first), I'd have no doubts about stepping up next to my friend, even if he was partly responsible for it. there were about five bouncers there and three guys in my party. I guess my point is, I would put friendship above 'who was right' in this case. There are limits to this, of course, if my friend had started a fight with an 'innocent', I'd be the first to restrain him.

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#91222 - 11/02/01 02:51 PM Re: Defending others
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I agree that firstly it is a moral/ethical question for the individual.

However, let us just assume that for some reason the 'Good Samaritan' in you gets annoyed and you do intervene.

How do you approach the situation?

Budo.

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#91223 - 11/06/01 10:44 AM Re: Defending others
Shadowfax Offline
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Registered: 10/08/01
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Loc: Mason City, IA
that's really hard to answer without knowing the specific details of the situation. Where in teh mall? Are we on the second floor near an overlook to the first floor? Near staircases? Near a fountain? Near that annoying guy in a gumby suit trying to sell silly putty in front of Kay Bee? Who's in the area? Is anyone else watching the fight. Do any of them look as though they know one or both of them and if so do they look as though they might join in if someone intervenes? Is a child involved that could get hurt if you start a brawl? Do you see any evidence of weapons? What is the surface of the floor? Where are you in relation to the attacker - -- will he see you approach?

All these questions must be asked and answered instantly when you see a situation beginning to develop. If you can't answer them satisfactorilly, you're better off staying put because you'll probably just get your head bashed in and then the guy will go back to beating his girl.

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#91224 - 03/15/03 02:06 PM Re: Defending others
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Registered: 01/17/03
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Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
Yell at the guy. Say "hey, I'm calling the f-ing cops!"
But unless its your mama or your sister, leave it alone. I've met women who get off on how manly their guy is, so they like to watch him kick other guys asses when he's not kicking hers. Sick.
Let's change the scenario, though. You're at a party, and some hulk grabs your buddy/girlfriend. Do you
A. talk him down?
B. Take him down?

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#91225 - 03/15/03 04:05 PM Re: Defending others
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You have to tread very carefully here, it is so easy to get it totally wrong. I was once awoken to the noise of an argument outside my house. The woman acroos the road appeared to be struggling with a man I had never seen. I went out and seperated them and asked her if she was OK. Her husband then appeared and said it was OK and told the man to F@#k off. I went back to bed and forgot about it. I found out the next day she was in hospital because the husband had severly beaten her. The strange man she was struggling with was her brother who was trying to persuade her to get the children and stay with him and his wife.
On the other hand, I, like Mr V could not just walk past someone in real danger and there is not usually much time to think, only react. Probably the best thing to do if you can is seperate them and call the police.
Sharon

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#91226 - 03/15/03 05:25 PM Re: Defending others
judderman Offline
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I have used similar to Jamoni.

Outside the Pub (funny how alcohol plays such a big part in these things [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]) and some guys were fighting. I don't have much problem with this, but when the gut goes to the ground and two others are busily wading into an defenceless person, I get a little righteous.

So at the top of my particularly loud voice I shouted "OI!! F*@cking Leave it!"

This worked a treat, they stopped.

Then looked at me....

oops.

They left him and walked off.

But the hardest part was keeping control of my otherhalf who had also become annoyed and wanted a piece!!! Be warned all those who take women for granted!!! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Budo.

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#91227 - 03/15/03 05:30 PM Re: Defending others
Chen Zen Offline
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Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 7043
Loc: Ms
I would give my life to protect anyone who needed it. Most people would not do this for me but I do it less for them and more for Justice,God,and the greater good.

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#91228 - 03/15/03 11:16 PM Re: Defending others
mikelw Offline
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Registered: 11/15/02
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Loc: Bothell, Washington (not DC), ...
If someone grabbed a friend of mine at a party i would not hesitate a second to take him down.

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