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#90003 - 03/12/05 01:57 AM Zhan Zhaung/Standing the stake
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Zhan Zhaung is the foundation to the internal arts. The internal arts are practiced by completely relaxed musles and stillness while external arts are practiced with movement and muscle motion. so if you want to study internal arts first learn to STAND THE STAKE!!!!!!!!!

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#90004 - 03/12/05 02:29 AM Re: Zhan Zhaung/Standing the stake
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Hi Sa Bum Nim
Would you care to describe how you practice this?

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#90005 - 03/12/05 04:15 AM Re: Zhan Zhaung/Standing the stake
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standing the stake,is just standing still relaxing and focusing on your self for a (long time)

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#90006 - 03/12/05 05:41 AM Re: Zhan Zhaung/Standing the stake
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If it were only that simple..... [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#90007 - 03/12/05 06:02 AM Re: Zhan Zhaung/Standing the stake
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Standing the stake is a standing mediation. Not just standing still focusing on yourself. Actually never focus on yourself.

There are postures to standing the stake. here is the first posture. Stand with you feet shoulder width apart. feet facing fwd or slightly inward. Bend your knees slightly. With arms hanging down relaxed and normal. Bend your elbows to about a 70 degree angle so your hands are waist height. keep your elbows in. Your back should be straight do not lean fwd or backward. close your eyes and clear your mind of all thoughts. Beginners at this will find it hard to have no thoughts and should picture a tree or the ocean flowing in their mind. remember totally relaxed. Do this for 10 minutes followed by 1 and 1/2 times your standing time or 15 minutes of sitting meditation. when you reach higher levels of standing the body may shake this is normal. Do not try to make the body shake but if it starts just remain relaxed what is happening is your meridian pathways are opening up. The sitting meditation should be done on a chair with hands in your lap and your back straight. do 10 minutes of standing for one 7 days then add 5 minutes to your standing time. Each week add 5 minutes to your standing time don't forget the sitting meditation must be done for 1 and 1/2 times your standing time. when you have reached 1 hour standing time and 1 and 1/2 hour sitting time do this for 5 years. then you will be ready to start projecting your chi.

Or you can work up to 3 hrs. of standing time and 4 1/2 hours sitting time which most westerners do not have the time or ambition to do Then after 3 year of the 3 hr standing time you can start working on projecting your chi.

So for anyone serious about building chi this is how it is done. this is what is done for Lin Kong Jin training or Empty force.

Important warning DO NOT! Try to project your chi before you have reached the 1 hr standing and 1 and 1/2 hrs sitting and have don this for one year or you will have to begin again.

After 3 months of standing I was up to over the hr of standing each day which I did for another month then. I did an experiment even though I knew if I did I would lose all the progress I gained.but I wanted to see if it was real and IT IS!!!! I was able to suffocate a candle flame with my chi from over 4 foot away by simply pointing at it and concentrating. I tried another experiment right away and actually moved a golf ball across a glass topped table without touching it with my chi from about a foot away. I then went back to the candle and As I kept experimenting the distance became shorter as I was using the chi I had been storing. I know I will get the skeptics asking for video and proof. You want proof? I have video of masters doing it. I am two years into it and will not waste my training until I have reached my goal.

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#90008 - 03/12/05 07:00 AM Re: Zhan Zhaung/Standing the stake
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Sa Bum Nim,

[QUOTE]Actually never focus on yourself.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean by by this?
Where did you learn zhan zhaung?
I checked out the site that you had listed as your home page and the links within and there is no mention of standing or any internal practice for that matter. To me it looks like it is a Taekwando school, which last time I checked is an external art.

I was doing ok with what you were saying, but your last paragraph threw your credibility right out the window.

You say that you have video of masters doing it, are these masters of your lineage? Can you please post the proof?

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#90009 - 03/12/05 08:07 AM Re: Zhan Zhaung/Standing the stake
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I've never known Zhaung Dong to be practiced that way or for those results.

Either you're a troll, a dreamer or you've been badly misinformed. As for 'projecting your chi' try reading the other threads on this forum, we don't need proof as we know you and your 'masters' haven't done it.

It's a shame because this could've been a good thread.

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#90010 - 03/12/05 08:38 AM Re: Zhan Zhaung/Standing the stake
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Bossman,
I guess we could try and salvage the thread.

What type of Zhan Zhuang do you do within your training?

What system or stlye does the training you do come from?

For myself...

I do a version of the pole/stake standing exercises where you are 'holding a ball' in front of the body .

My primary standing exercises are the single palm change of bagua and pi quan (splitting fist) of xingyi.
When doing these as standing practice each posture is held for a certain amount of time to allow the body to relax into the structure. Obviously emphasis is placed on relxing the mind and body and harmonizing the structure. This is then carried while making the transition to the next posture.

Anyone else?

Nuff talking, time to train.

Chris

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#90011 - 03/12/05 09:31 AM Re: Zhan Zhaung/Standing the stake
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Zhang zhuang is practiced in lin kong jin or empty force. Here`s a link: www.emptyforce.com

As for me, I practice standing, but not for long periods of time. I usually do it for about 15 minutes. I use just normal standing, holding the ball or sometimes I stand in positions from my katas.

I mostly learned about standing from books by Mantak Chia, B.K. Frantzis and I`m begining to read The way of energy by Lam Kam Chuen. I try to add these teachings to katas.

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#90012 - 03/12/05 10:26 AM Re: Zhan Zhaung/Standing the stake
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Hi Chris

My training comes from the HK Yang family but the words I use here and therefore any mistakes will be mine.

First you have to find the direction to face from inside.

The balance is different in that you locate but don't activate the power in the feet.

You make all the postural aligments and connect the major meridians (we've talked endlessly about this so I won't break it down)

Whereas you normally 'look a mile away' - you can close your eyes if you feel comfortable. your arms hang down but you have to correct the angles to get free passage of chi. You soften the biceps and it can take up to 20 mins for the hands to rise of their own accord so there is no stress in holding them.

Bring the chi to the skin (it feels like if someone touches you they will get an elctric shock).

Perceive 3 dimensionally in sound and what I can only describe as 6th sense, but to be aware of everything around you and it's depth.

Without getting too heavy and using the most understandable language - that's as far as I can go. Each layer of training I've had changes it slightly again.

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