Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, the original topic was energy and health. In order to have external efficiency we must have internal efficiency. Neither can exist without the other, like good and evil. So as much as we would all like to believe some arts or sports are solely external they are not. You do not need rocket science credentials to prove that. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] See you tuesday 22/05 .

You obviously have a limited understanding of what an internal art is.

Batgirl -
You have not given me 1 straight forward answer to a question without smothering it in esoterics.
When pople muddle their words with esoterics as you have, it makes them come across as a know it all that really doesn't know what they are talking about.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fisherman:
Batgirl -
You have not given me 1 straight forward answer to a question without smothering it in esoterics.
When pople muddle their words with esoterics as you have, it makes them come across as a know it all that really doesn't know what they are talking about.

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OWNED

She's courteous though, I'll give her that.

See you next Tuesday [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

;-)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by laf7773:
You obviously have a limited understanding of what an internal art is.

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In previous discussions on this topic wasn't it established that the mindset and training methods are the most improtant factors in deciding whether an art is external or intenal?

There are only three systems that are truly "internal", xingyi, taiji and bagua. There are others that incorporate internal principles but they are external arts. I assure you 100% shotokan is not an external art. While ninjutsu, legit ninjutsu that is, does incorporate several of the same concepts in it's taijutsu it is still an external art. Jujutsu is a no brainer.

Well...I don't know if it is just 3...

Aikido I might lump into the internal.

Yiquan (Dachengchuan) I would most certainly put into the internal category.

Xinyiquan (forerunner to, but different than Xinyiquan) I would put in the internal category.

Liuhe Bafaquan (6 Harmonies 8 methods fist) I would put into the internal category.

That would be about all though...

Michael

Anyway's my only concern is channelling my martial energy. Not to argue whether or not art is external or internal. To do this we need to give our bodies what it needs not just to stay healthy but to channelize mentally and physically. If we do not our bodies will not fulfill our minds desires. Now that's energy and health 101. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] Let's do our best to work together(harmonize) for all our goals.

Batgirl,

I still agree with other posters that credentials need to be established, and frankly when I read your explanations and posts It makes me think xfiles.

I've read alot of IMA material, spoken with many IMA, and been practicing hsing-i for 2 months. I profess I don't know anything yet. I am just concentrating on learning the forms and connecting my body.

Anyways my point being. I haven't met anyone that talks about energy/chi ect. ect. like you. And I my b.s. meter goes off the charts every time.

I don't mean to be offensive, its just that sadly I think a lot of people get extremely skewed and flawed thoughts and beliefs about chi and the internal aspects of these arts.

I think the questions about your background training are valid. And "I took these 3 martial arts" is not an answer at all, especially when your trying to give advice that could ultimately affect this posters daily activities and general well being.

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