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#89427 - 02/16/05 05:47 PM ki and health
Anonymous
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is there anyone on this site that can help me with an intelligent response to my concern. I had my large instetine(colon) removed when i was 15, i am 22 know. i've practiced internal martial arts also. would havin no colon affect my ki flow. i can get ki to flow but sometimes i don't feel as centered as i could be. i've read different chinese texts describing the internal organs playing a role in ki/chi flow. and the large instestine being an anchor. is there any truth to that. is my ki affected by no colon or is that impossible.

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#89428 - 02/16/05 06:02 PM Re: ki and health
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by rondog:
is there anyone on this site that can help me with an intelligent response to my concern. I had my large instetine(colon) removed when i was 15, i am 22 know. i've practiced internal martial arts also. would havin no colon affect my ki flow. i can get ki to flow but sometimes i don't feel as centered as i could be. i've read different chinese texts describing the internal organs playing a role in ki/chi flow. and the large instestine being an anchor. is there any truth to that. is my ki affected by no colon or is that impossible.[/QUOTE]
The form of energy flowing through your physical body (nerves) is electricity. It is flowing through you very actively other wise you would'nt be alive. Even though part(s)of your physical body may be missing it still exists in your bioplasmic body (etheric double)/(auric body)and so does this form of energy,it still flows. Study some pranic healing. If you are having trouble staying centered stretch out your hips and build them up. Work out with the splits like Jean Claude Van Damme. Good Luck. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#89429 - 02/17/05 06:45 AM Re: ki and health
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Batgirl -

What is your training background? I am not so sure that I'd agree with some of the things you have posted here, so I would like to know if they are founded within a particular training method or style of IMA.

Regards

Chris

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#89430 - 02/17/05 02:40 PM Re: ki and health
Anonymous
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fisherman:
Batgirl -

What is your training background? I am not so sure that I'd agree with some of the things you have posted here, so I would like to know if they are founded within a particular training method or style of IMA.

Regards

Chris
[/QUOTE]
No. Warfare and elecrical energy is not governed by IMA only the mind,brain,spirit,nerve,and,body. I was taught Shotokahn Karate,Jujitsu,Ninjutsu,and the Dragon. I took out and utilized what was useful for me at the time. And I owe them my thanks. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] Good Luck more current to you.

[This message has been edited by Batgirl (edited 02-17-2005).]

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#89431 - 02/17/05 03:57 PM Re: ki and health
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Batgirl:

When the original poster of this message indicates that he is consulting different chinese texts, then we are not talking about nerves and the electrical impulses that travel across them. We would, in fact, be speaking of qi and the jingluo (bio-electric energy channels made up of the jingmai or meridians and the luomai or collaterals). With this in mind, I would tend to agree with Fisherman with regards to getting the warm and fuzzies from what your response said.

rondog...specifically to your question...

The Chinese refer to the the organs and bowels and their properties and roles as "zang fu" where "zang" represents the five (5) organs and the "fu" represents the six (6) bowels...of which the large intestine (LI) is a bowel or "fu".

Having it removed is going to imply a few things from the TCM or Zhongyixue perspective. While I have never heard of the LI as being the anchor, it is somewhat important. the zang and the fu have one primary function. In the case of the zang organs, they are designed to store qi. In the case of the fu bowels, they are designed to process and transport qi (see the Yin and they Yang picture there?). So in the case of a missing LI, the energy transport system of your body is weakened. And it would not surprise me at all to hear you say that you feel "less than centered".

The question is what to do about it. First, accept it. You can enhance or improve the situation but never fully correct it. Just is not going to happen and you need to come to grips with that in your own mind. It is like missing a finger. You can learn to adjust, but you are not going to grow that finger back.

Next, if you are interested in this from a TCM perspective as your original comments seem to express, there are several avenues to explore. First, examine things from the perspective of the wuxing of the five elements. In this paradigm, LI is [Yang] metal. So, you should seek out an acupuncturist that follows TCM. consult with them, but you are basically going to want to have him apply treatments that will sedate the fire elements and enhance the metal elements (please note, this is a simplistic view, but I really don't have the time to write a 20 page treatise on the wuxing and all of the interactions there...the acupuncturist will be able to explain it and also do what is necessary). Second, try to find an acupuncturist that is also an herbalist (for the more traditional practioners, this is almost always the case or they have partnered with one). If not, they should be able to refer you to one. The information I gave on the wuxing can also be treated through herbal formulas. Third, qigong is going to be a huge help to you. And you can concentrate in a couple of different areas...but you are going to need an instructor or instructors that can help take you down the path. First, you need to learn a qigong set that is going to work what you commonly called the extraordinary vessels (the Qi Jing Ba Mai in Chinese). A more correct term would be the the eight strange, mysterious or odd flows and vessels. they consist of the Ren Mai, Du Mai, Chong Mai, Yinwei Mai, Yangwei Mai, Yinqiao Mai, and Yangqiao Mai. I say you need to start working on these because one of the primary functions of the EVs is to assist the 12 main meridians when there is an abundance or shortage of qi in the flow process. Obviously, you are missing the LI. So, there are specific exercises for the EVs that can help with this and, in turn, help to regulate the flow of qi. Second, you need to learn a wuxing or five element qigong set. My old organization the DSI (see http://www.dragonsociety.com) sells a video of one of the 5 element sets. I highly recommend it (and note I said old organization...I get nothing for that plug form them). Lastly, you need to learn a standard or basic health oriented qigong set. I would recommend the Yi Jin Jing qigong set (Ekkin Kiko in Japanese) and is the "muscle/tendon changing" set and then (after a long enough period to see and feel results) move onto the Xi Sui Jing (Senzui Kiko in Japanese) and is the "marrow washing set". If you find a good acupuncturist and/or herbalist, they should be able to point you to someone or may even be trained in this or something very much akin to what I am talking about. And remember, sometimes you just have to be persistant with them about the training.

Lastly, I HIGHLY recommend you research and speak to a professional. You can get alot of crap off of the internet. I stand 100% behind what I say, but have someone check you out and see what the situation is and then get their recommendations that are tailored to you personally after their "hands on" review.

I hope that is of some help and also that you will keep us posted of your progress.

Michael

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#89432 - 02/17/05 04:38 PM Re: ki and health
Anonymous
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by meijin:
Batgirl:

When the original poster of this message indicates that he is consulting different chinese texts, then we are not talking about nerves and the electrical impulses that travel across them. We would, in fact, be speaking of qi and the jingluo (bio-electric energy channels made up of the jingmai or meridians and the luomai or collaterals). With this in mind, I would tend to agree with Fisherman with regards to getting the warm and fuzzies from what your response said.

rondog...specifically to your question...

The Chinese refer to the the organs and bowels and their properties and roles as "zang fu" where "zang" represents the five (5) organs and the "fu" represents the six (6) bowels...of which the large intestine (LI) is a bowel or "fu".

Having it removed is going to imply a few things from the TCM or Zhongyixue perspective. While I have never heard of the LI as being the anchor, it is somewhat important. the zang and the fu have one primary function. In the case of the zang organs, they are designed to store qi. In the case of the fu bowels, they are designed to process and transport qi (see the Yin and they Yang picture there?). So in the case of a missing LI, the energy transport system of your body is weakened. And it would not surprise me at all to hear you say that you feel "less than centered".

The question is what to do about it. First, accept it. You can enhance or improve the situation but never fully correct it. Just is not going to happen and you need to come to grips with that in your own mind. It is like missing a finger. You can learn to adjust, but you are not going to grow that finger back.

Next, if you are interested in this from a TCM perspective as your original comments seem to express, there are several avenues to explore. First, examine things from the perspective of the wuxing of the five elements. In this paradigm, LI is [Yang] metal. So, you should seek out an acupuncturist that follows TCM. consult with them, but you are basically going to want to have him apply treatments that will sedate the fire elements and enhance the metal elements (please note, this is a simplistic view, but I really don't have the time to write a 20 page treatise on the wuxing and all of the interactions there...the acupuncturist will be able to explain it and also do what is necessary). Second, try to find an acupuncturist that is also an herbalist (for the more traditional practioners, this is almost always the case or they have partnered with one). If not, they should be able to refer you to one. The information I gave on the wuxing can also be treated through herbal formulas. Third, qigong is going to be a huge help to you. And you can concentrate in a couple of different areas...but you are going to need an instructor or instructors that can help take you down the path. First, you need to learn a qigong set that is going to work what you commonly called the extraordinary vessels (the Qi Jing Ba Mai in Chinese). A more correct term would be the the eight strange, mysterious or odd flows and vessels. they consist of the Ren Mai, Du Mai, Chong Mai, Yinwei Mai, Yangwei Mai, Yinqiao Mai, and Yangqiao Mai. I say you need to start working on these because one of the primary functions of the EVs is to assist the 12 main meridians when there is an abundance or shortage of qi in the flow process. Obviously, you are missing the LI. So, there are specific exercises for the EVs that can help with this and, in turn, help to regulate the flow of qi. Second, you need to learn a wuxing or five element qigong set. My old organization the DSI (see http://www.dragonsociety.com) sells a video of one of the 5 element sets. I highly recommend it (and note I said old organization...I get nothing for that plug form them). Lastly, you need to learn a standard or basic health oriented qigong set. I would recommend the Yi Jin Jing qigong set (Ekkin Kiko in Japanese) and is the "muscle/tendon changing" set and then (after a long enough period to see and feel results) move onto the Xi Sui Jing (Senzui Kiko in Japanese) and is the "marrow washing set". If you find a good acupuncturist and/or herbalist, they should be able to point you to someone or may even be trained in this or something very much akin to what I am talking about. And remember, sometimes you just have to be persistant with them about the training.

Lastly, I HIGHLY recommend you research and speak to a professional. You can get alot of crap off of the internet. I stand 100% behind what I say, but have someone check you out and see what the situation is and then get their recommendations that are tailored to you personally after their "hands on" review.

I hope that is of some help and also that you will keep us posted of your progress.

Michael
[/QUOTE]
Agree with me or not, thanks for sharing your insight. I'll be sure to get back with you, especially with the muscle/tendon changing. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#89433 - 02/18/05 06:40 AM Re: ki and health
Fisherman Offline
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Registered: 07/16/03
Posts: 1656
Loc: Colorado, USA
Batgirl posted....
[QUOTE] I was taught Shotokahn Karate,Jujitsu,Ninjutsu,and the Dragon. I took out and utilized what was useful for me at the time. And I owe them my thanks.[/QUOTE]

What is Dragon?

How are the 3 external MA's that you posted involved with the energetics that you speak of?

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#89434 - 02/18/05 02:20 PM Re: ki and health
Anonymous
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fisherman:
Batgirl posted....
What is Dragon?

How are the 3 external MA's that you posted involved with the energetics that you speak of?

[/QUOTE]
They are not solely external you should know that as a true martial artist. But if you are not let me know so that I may point out a few gray areas. And without going bizarro on you, When you think of the Dragon think of warfare free and unbound by style,technique,physical pressures,and passions. But rather the power is within your own form and the natural flowing of the enviroment(nature). [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] See you tuesday 23/05

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#89435 - 02/18/05 02:55 PM Re: ki and health
Anonymous
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Ummmm..I beg to differ....yes, the arts that you listed are external. Shotokan is external. Jujutsu is external. Ninjutsu is external.

You can establish "grey areas" for yourself all that you want, but they are external.

If you are going to make the arguement that one or any of these is internal or even partly internal, then I request very strongly that you indicate your level of experience in each. Which variance of Shotokan did you study and for how long? Which Jujutsu ryuha? How long? What is your experience in Ninjutsu? Booj? Genbukan? Jinenkan?

Make the arguements all you want, that is your right as a poster to this forum. However, if you want the majority of folks to believe anything that you say or to even halfway take it seriously, then you need to establish some qualifications.

Fair enough?

Michael

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#89436 - 02/18/05 03:14 PM Re: ki and health
Fisherman Offline
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Registered: 07/16/03
Posts: 1656
Loc: Colorado, USA
[QUOTE]They are not solely external you should know that as a true martial artist.[/QUOTE]

Who are you to say who on this board is a true martial artist?
I beg to differ as well. The arts you mentioned are external. They move with segmented power and do not have the same mechanical principles as say Baguazhang or Taijiquan.


[QUOTE]But if you are not let me know so that I may point out a few gray areas.[/QUOTE]

Just FYI - I am a martial artist (althogh I amy not be a very good one).
I have to agree with Michael that there is no gray area especially when it comes down to the MA's that you listed in your post.

[QUOTE]And without going bizarro on you, When you think of the Dragon think of warfare free and unbound by style,technique,physical pressures,and passions. But rather the power is within your own form and the natural flowing of the enviroment(nature).[/QUOTE]

This sounds a bit odd to me. This appears to be a free formed BS statement if you ask me. What is the foundation and structural principles underlying 'dragon'?

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