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#89357 - 03/04/05 12:19 AM Re: What is this that I feel?
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Meijin,

I can only comment about the functional anatomy and qigong points of view, as the are very much "my cups of tea" (one my primary form of exercise and the other my occupation) and I have no argument with you on either one.

What I mean by straighten your lower back isnt't that the spine should be straight when scanned by x-ray or something like that, but that one should allow it to take neutral position ("straight"), which includes it's natural curvatures (lumbar and cervical lordoses and thoracal kyphosis) and is necessary for relaxation of dynamic musculature (in standing or sitting).
Without this, I for one sure cannot connect the points along the microcosmic orbit in the area you described.

About the IMA material, I disqualify myself from commenting, due to the fact that my MA is of the external kind, although I for myself am trying to use relaxed and aligned whole body movements, I have no formal instruction in IMA.

BTW, it's very obvious to me that you know what you're talking about, so any comments you contribute with are taken seriously at this end!

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#89358 - 03/04/05 07:10 AM Re: What is this that I feel?
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Hey Lucid,

How's everything going....

You have me curious, how did you discover you were only breathing with one lung, and how did you correct that problem?

Regards,
Ed

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#89359 - 03/04/05 08:52 AM Re: What is this that I feel?
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nenipp:

Thanks for the correction...without knowing you, as soon as I saw "straighten your back" I assumed the worst. Sorry for that...I see exactly what you mean and won't automatically go the wrong direction next time.

Thanks again!

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#89360 - 03/04/05 10:10 AM Re: What is this that I feel?
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pull in your lower stomach closes the hui yin and moves the tailbone by the correct amount naturally. Pulling the perinium muscle can cause long term damage and 'tipping' the base of the spine will knock everything else out of line. Notice it's the LOWER stomach not stomach. It's a subtle thing...

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#89361 - 03/04/05 10:18 AM Re: What is this that I feel?
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Hey Bossman,

the long term damage, does that feel like a vertical stitch in the center of your abdomen, if you use the perinium too much? I'm wondering if it pulls on the connected tissue, or if you meant long term damage to the perinium?

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#89362 - 03/04/05 12:28 PM Re: What is this that I feel?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MrEd:
Hey Lucid,

How's everything going....

You have me curious, how did you discover you were only breathing with one lung, and how did you correct that problem?

Regards,
Ed
[/QUOTE]

It's really difficult for me to explain, but on the 'good' side of my body, I have a natural tendency to connect my whole body from the core on outward. This does not mean that I don't source from the ground, it's more like each articulation from the body is dependent on the previous articulation starting from the core as I sink into my structure, (am I making sense)?
The (bad) side of my body is weak in the core because I tend to source strength from the external musculature in my hands and feet moving in towards the core. Very tense. I guess I find it difficult to put into words.
Regardless of how to explain it, that side of my body was so out of alignment that my diaphragm had no strength and had restricted movement; so much that it just stopped pulling the lung down on that side. Don't get me wrong, some air entered this lung, but it is just air that 'leaks' in while the other lung is breathing. I discovered while laying flat down on my bed, focusing on my weak side when breathing.

As far as correcting it, I'm not quite done but, practice practice practice.....
Ya know ... relax this, align that, strengthen here, open that...... Sigh [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] I haven't figured the whole thing out yet.

I don't know if that is a common roadblock in martial arts, but I don't want to highjack this thread any further. I am planning on making a thread for this later on
to follow up on some other threads I started somewhere on this forum, I will provide links.


By the way MrEd, Laf bumped some of your threads, I'd be interested any updates to this one especially. http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000240.html

[This message has been edited by Lucid Warrior (edited 03-04-2005).]

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#89363 - 03/04/05 08:42 PM Re: What is this that I feel?
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I should mention that my inability to explain the above is mostly due to the fact that I do not fully understand it.
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Bossman! I've noticed before that on the 'messed up side of my body' that the perineum seems to be in constant tension throughout the day, (relaxed on the other side of course). Any thoughts on how to relax it?
Also, when you say the "LOWER stomach not stomach," just how low do you mean? It usually seems natural to pull in the area just below the naval and let the diaphragm contact the top of the 'pulled in' part. In the back of my mind, I have always wondered if it should be lower.

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#89364 - 03/05/05 06:13 AM Re: What is this that I feel?
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I wont answer in Bossman's place, but I'll take the liberty of giving my two cents:

I like to begin the "pulling" from the bottom and go up to at least not higher than naval. As a matter of fact I stop even lower, because if I go up to the naval my superficial (dynamic) abs engage, and that disallows full freedom of movement. This however seems to vary a bit from individual to individual.

What I'm trying to achieve is the isolated (with totally relaxed rectus and obliquus abdominii) tensing of the transverus abdominis muscle, it's very easy to overdo it! Like Bossman said "it's a subtle thing..." of course I'm assuming we're talking about the same thing, if I'm wrong it won't be the first time )

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#89365 - 03/05/05 06:23 AM Re: What is this that I feel?
nenipp Offline
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Reading my own previous post a quote by Louis Pasteur came to mind:

"One must not assume that an understanding of science is present
in those who borrow its language."

;o)

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#89366 - 03/05/05 07:16 AM Re: What is this that I feel?
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I'm sat thinking, how the hell do I describe this? I've been taught by 'chap sau' (physical manipulation) and question and answer. I was told to not 'pull the perenium because of long term damage to the prostate. I think of the dantien as the 'controller' and visualise the whole area as a ball covered in multi dimensioned muscles or like holding the reins to many horses.

The lower abdomen 'parks' the spine spiralling the kua then through the quads and 'screwing' the foot into the floor. The 'parking' spine spirals and releases the stretches in the obliques, intercostals and arms sending the energy out directionally through the hands.

So the lower abdomen closes the hui yin pulling the pubicoxygeus muscle to 'park' the spine. It's pulled only according to what you are doing and 'controls' all movement.

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