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#89174 - 02/05/05 01:42 AM The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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I've read about the star exercise and tried this technique for generating chi energy, all I can say is my feet and hands buzz for about 5 minutes after I have done this yoga (Sometimes my whole body). I do not believe this is hyperventilization, but who knows, I would like to know what others experience trying this technique.

[IMG]http://www.meditation-techniques.net/meditations/staranimate2.gif[/IMG]

The technique (see visual)

Close your eyes arms and legs outstretched like a star. Left palm up, right palm down...actually just read the link it explain this much better

http://www.meditation-techniques.net/meditations/starexercise.htm

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#89175 - 02/05/05 04:03 PM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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Hi, I practice that exercise myself. I find it to be great! And powerful too. Sounds like it is working well for you, and powerfully also right? I have the same experience. Also maybe try the laying planetary polarity meditation, I find it creates intense buzzing in my chakras and whole body, if I practice mindfully. And I find myself breathing rythmically automatically sometimes in laying meditation. Sometimes it gets so strong I feel as if I'm gonna sit up, or actually, the vibration energy is going to sit up, leaving my body on the ground. Sometimes I might practice Yoga and and then meditation, sometimes seperately. You can also do meditation then Yoga. So that's excellent, anyways, it is not hyperventilation because the energy can last for quite sometime after the practice as you mentioned, and I don't get dizzy at all when I practice. You don't have to do it so intensely when you start and the amount of breaths you take is up to you. It really opens the shoulders and upper body, so it is more health than martial arts, but if you think about it, it is an open posture, which I beleive in the end is more important for the health of the internal organs than a closed posture,( lol, unless taking a hit!) you need both. I think it would be good for the heart too. For martial arts, any posture which is the opposite of the star exersice, ( which would be round, or circular shoulders) is correct. Seriously, I often check if my Taijiquan posture is correct by thinking of the star exersice. If it's the opposite to the star exercise, it's correct. Shoulders always sunk a little for either one.

I think the Yoga videos exlpain the techniques and the breathing the best. I am impressed with how they use the dantien and waist in their TIbetan Yoga. When the women who really knows what she's doing does it, it's like her abdomen is an airbag being filled with air and then released of air, her abdomen almost looks like that! Like a bag being filled and emptied of air! IMA's also use the dantien and waist in a variety of ways, such as spiralling the dantien, shaking dantien, vibrating dantien, bombing dantien into the ground.

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#89176 - 02/05/05 11:38 PM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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have you ever tried the star exercize as recommended with two or more people, I have not yet but I was wondering how it went (if you have).

Also to answer your question, yes I do have a buzz for a few hours after the meditation and a bliss. This is truely a remarkable technique.

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#89177 - 02/06/05 05:21 PM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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I have done it with one other person a few times. I find if I am in a focused meditative state the results are most powerful, but in a way, I don't really focus or visualise too intensely really.



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#89178 - 02/06/05 08:00 PM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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Just out of curiosity. Can anyone tell me the purpose of doing these exercises other than they "help you build qi"?

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#89179 - 02/07/05 12:13 AM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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Afew things I can think of for now-

to intergrate, develop, and refine the functioning of the physical, mental, and spiritual being together

it is a star, meaning it cultivates what would be the 5 elements, built off of yin and yang the two sides of the body etc.

It is an enlightenment practice, I think potentially a small mini "death". It is like almost, a posture of giving up attachments.



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#89180 - 02/07/05 05:15 AM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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I just spent a bit of time reading the link that was posted here...

Personally - I think that it sounds a bit hokey. Seems to be a bit overly esoteric to me.

Perhaps Reiki could chime in and give a few thoughts on this...

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#89181 - 02/07/05 10:14 AM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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Is is very old. Yoga is one of the oldest known practices I think. How esoteric it was, I doubt was a consideration when it was created. Throughout known human history, it was practiced by monks. Like most qigong and meditation actually.

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#89182 - 02/07/05 12:53 PM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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Posted by serious pain...

[QUOTE]Is is very old. Yoga is one of the oldest known practices I think.[/QUOTE]

I would agree with that. As the legend says; Ta Mo brought the I Chin Ching from India via the Himalayas. The I Chin Chings' postures are quite similar to those of Hatha Yoga.

[QUOTE] How esoteric it was, I doubt was a consideration when it was created. Throughout known human history, it was practiced by monks. Like most qigong and meditation actually.[/QUOTE]

I guess this is where I have a hard time grasping this. The esoteric contents of this knowledge of this exercise was not an issue when it was created because it was not posted on the internet, rather it was passed on through direct transmition.
The people practicing this exercise these days are hardly monks. Most people do these things today because it makes them feel good. Not because they are trying to reach enlightenment as a monk.

I guess my biggest beef with this stuff or any type of energy art whether it be martial or healing in nature is that it can not be properly taught/transmited via the internet.

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#89183 - 02/07/05 01:28 PM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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Yes, I see that point, you can't be incorrect in your movements. But I really beleive the true secret is in the practice itself. Practiceing it and studying the exersices and routines everyday is the key. Don't think it is so overly complicated or esoteric it can't be understood with practice and study though, IMO and understanding.

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#89184 - 02/07/05 01:46 PM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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Eventhough it does not appear to be complicated there still needs to be proper transmition. The energy works of the body are not something that people should just randomly mess with. They do make a point of this with the disclaimer on the site posted above.

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#89185 - 02/07/05 03:17 PM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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Fisherman:

This exercise is quite close to a series of exercises that I was taught as a part of my training in the Dragon's Gate sect of the Complete Reality school of Taoism (Long Men Chuan Chen Tao).

These series of exercises, primarily, deal with a variety of different elemental energies (the wuxing or gogyo) and are designed to enhance and regulate those elemental energies...in somewhat the same way that the five element hsing/quan or Xingyiquan do.

That help any?

Michael

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#89186 - 02/08/05 06:50 AM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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Michael

Thanks for your input!!

Couple of questions for you...

[QUOTE]Dragon's Gate sect of the Complete Reality school of Taoism (Long Men Chuan Chen Tao).[/QUOTE]

Is this the sect as taught by Wang Liping? or is it Quan Saihung?

I guess my next question would then be... in an exercise where you are working all 5 elements simultaneously would it be similar to Heng Quan in the context that you are combining the other 4 elements to make the 5th?

In reference to the Star exercise mentioned above, I am wondering if they teach any solo exercises to work on single elements at a time as does the 8 brocades.

Thanks again for your input.

Chris

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#89187 - 02/08/05 09:57 AM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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Chris:

I assume you mean Kwan Saihung?

My admittedly very limited training in "Complete Reality" comes through a student of Wang Liping. I have heard of Kwan Saihung, but have never had the opportunity to meet him. I have heard good and bad...not sure which is true. But, the same can be said of me <grin!>, so I will withhold judgement until I meet him. If he is half as good as the gentleman who instructed me, then he is awesome.

Just by way of background, my exposure to Complete Reality came as a result of my Taijiquan training. For a brief time in Houston, I was a student of Cheng Jin Cai (he being a student of Chen Zhaokui and later Wang Xian). I met the Complete Reality teacher as a result of working on the Yi Lu form (laojia) in a park. What do they say? When you are ready for a teacher one will find you?

You said:
"I guess my next question would then be... in an exercise where you are working all 5 elements simultaneously would it be similar to Heng Quan in the context that you are combining the other 4 elements to make the 5th?"

Interesting...I have never heard it put that way. My understanding (and please know that my understanding of Xingyiquan is limited) that each of the wuxing is seperate with Heng Quan being at the center and neutral and that you are not combining the other 4 to make the 5th. Can you elaborate?

Also along these lines...do you practice the Wuxing Sheng Ke? this is where my understanding of the above comes...each element stands alone and then follows the cycle of creation and/or destruction.

You said:
"In reference to the Star exercise mentioned above, I am wondering if they teach any solo exercises to work on single elements at a time as does the 8 brocades."

Well, this is essentially what I ment. I did not read the link for the exercise above. My reference to Complete Reality was basically what you are talking about here. There are a series of seperate qigong exercises for each single element. I guess I should go read the link for this exercise...but since I don't need to add anything to my plate right now, I didn't. Complete Reality has a series of exercises for each seperate element of the wuxing and then a series of exercises for the combined elements. The majority of which are longevity exercises.

That answer your questions?

Thanks for the comments, I look forward to your response.

Michael

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#89188 - 02/08/05 10:22 AM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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BTW Chris....Henan, Shanxi or Heibei?

Thanks!

Michael

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#89189 - 02/08/05 06:53 PM Re: The Star Exercise- Ultimate Chi energy technique
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Hey Michael

Thanks for the in depth response

To answer one of your questions; we train Hebei Xingyi - via the Hong Yi Shiang lineage. I have to admit that I am not all that familliar with the Xingyi stuff myself. I am primarily a Bagua dude (YiZong - Gao style). I do however find the Wuxing fists extremely useful to train as they are everywhere within the 'post-heaven' lines within our system. That and they are quite direct and useful within the fighing context too.

[QUOTE] I assume you mean Kwan Saihung? [/QUOTE]

Yep.

Do you know if Wang Liping is still alive and if so where he is living these days? I thought that he was out in CA somewhere.

As for Heng Quan being a combination of the other 4 elements - 'crossing' = earth where the other 4 elements reside. Like I said my Xingyi knowledge and how the elements actually relate to the forms is pretty minimal.
There are 2 linkages of the elements that I know at this point - am not sure if they are the creation and destruction cycles at this point. I suppose I should ask my teacher. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG] I don't blame you for not reading through the web site's stuff - belive me - I know what its like to have a full plate. Mine has been full since I started. Everytime that I start to see the edge of the plae my teachers just pile on some more 'food'.

Yummy

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