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#89114 - 02/02/05 10:10 PM Combat Philosophies of the three principle Internal styles
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Greetings friends,

I am interested in hearing about and comparing the combat strategies/fighting philosophies of the 3 main Internal Martial arts styles, Xing Yi, Baghua Zhang and Tai chi chuan.

What startegies/philosphies do they employ and how do they differ between the arts?
How is concept of ki employed in each art?
Why do the differences between these styles occur?

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#89115 - 02/02/05 10:27 PM Re: Combat Philosophies of the three principle Internal styles
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In Taijiquan you never go force on force. You lead and follow the opponent. There is a saying, if the opponent wants to come in, let him, if wants to go, help him go out. He can't find you or get away from you.

[This message has been edited by serious pain (edited 02-02-2005).]

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#89116 - 02/02/05 11:47 PM Re: Combat Philosophies of the three principle Internal styles
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Great Question.

Only a person like, I believe, Sun Lutang can give a COMPLETE answer.

I respectfully believe that even Yang Lu Chan or Yang Cheng Fu can give a COMPLETE answer.

Granted that all 3 systems have some common underlying energy developement priciples, but the detailed manipulation / utilisation for combat purposes, I think, are quite different.

So anyone able to give a complete answer with cross references between all 3 has to have mastered all 3 systems at a very high level.

There may be such a living person around; just that I don't know him or her.

I myself certainly like to hear from these people.

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#89117 - 02/03/05 12:30 AM Re: Combat Philosophies of the three principle Internal styles
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Thanks for the response serious pain...

Hi ButterflyPalm

I realise that significant knowledge of all three systems is going to be uncommon.

I was thinking more along the lines of having respective practitioners of the three styles would comment individually on their own arts until we have three seperate pictures forming so that we might analyse and debate the differences.

I think that if we can get some detailed answers this will become a very interesting thread... on the other hand Ive been known to be wrong.

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#89118 - 02/03/05 04:52 AM Re: Combat Philosophies of the three principle Internal styles
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Shonuff

This has been discussed a bit earlier...
http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/cgi-b...y+Arts&number=7

IMO the combat straegies are a lot easier to discuss than the energetic priciple involving each of the 3. I'd agree with Butterfly that to truly understand each style would take someone that has trained extesively in each.
But it's always fun to scratch the surface and see what is underneath.
I am on my way out the door to train - more detail later....

Chris

PS - If you haven't read it yet, you may want to grab a copy of, "Power of the Internal Martial Arts" by BK Frantzis. It gives a good general overview if the IMA's

[This message has been edited by Fisherman (edited 02-03-2005).]

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#89119 - 02/03/05 05:02 AM Re: Combat Philosophies of the three principle Internal styles
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Butterfly, if we suddenly begin to require that level of knowledge/insight before we open our mouths, this forum will go very silent, very fast )

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#89120 - 02/03/05 01:16 PM Re: Combat Philosophies of the three principle Internal styles
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That link brought me back to the Energy arts index. When I searched for the topic before I didnt find it.

I dont think it would kill people to bring it up again and who knows, people who werent here when the old discussion came up might have a new perspective.

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#89121 - 02/03/05 01:34 PM Re: Combat Philosophies of the three principle Internal styles
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It wouldn't hurt to read through the things that have already been discussed so that you have a frame of reference to ask questions from.

Try this
http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000381.html

If that doesn't work, scroll down the page and look for the thread named - Different internal arts

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#89122 - 02/03/05 02:23 PM Re: Combat Philosophies of the three principle Internal styles
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fisherman:
It wouldn't hurt to read through the things that have already been discussed so that you have a frame of reference to ask questions from.

Try this
http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000381.html

If that doesn't work, scroll down the page and look for the thread named - Different internal arts

[/QUOTE]

Apologies for the harshness of my response Fisherman, Im just used to seeing people brushed off in this forum alot.

Your analysis of the three arts is interesting, but it does sound a little biased towards Bagua. Do you practice all three arts?
If not, would it be possible to get more detailed descriptions of the xing yi and Tai chi from anyone who does practice it, or is Fishermans description totally accurate?

Regarding Bagua, your description makes it sound like Bagua has no specific methods, just whatever suits the moment. Since there are a variety of solutions to any given combat situation Im curious as to what is considered an appropriate response within the system of Bagua Zhang?
Also what are the differences among the arts methods of ki manipulation within combat?

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#89123 - 02/03/05 08:18 PM Re: Combat Philosophies of the three principle Internal styles
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nenipp:
Butterfly, if we suddenly begin to require that level of knowledge/insight before we open our mouths, this forum will go very silent, very fast [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/redface.gif[/IMG])[/QUOTE]


Yea, but I've put in some back-up [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]; if you notice, I did put 'complete' answer in capital letters; just so anyone is welcomed to give 'in-complete' answers. Whew! that was close [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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