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#88502 - 12/07/04 04:39 PM So is it all crap then

Hi all, n00b here. I would like to state that this is not about chi/ki balls/blasts and all that crap. I watch Dbz, it is a fun action show with some great fight scenes and some cool characters, but I watch is a a bit of fun and nothing more. I do not belive that you can use chi for flying and blasting and all of that, and I do not want to start arguments about me blowing you up with my kamehameha. But I would like to know this, Akira Toriyama was no idiot, he had a vivid imagingation and he got many of his ideas from kung fu movies, so my question is, What moves/training techinques (if any) from Dbz and Db can be apllied to real martial arts? And by this I mean, can or have two fighters ever moved any parts of there bodys so fast that many people could not follow or see the movements? What would the advantage of training with heavy wieghts (I.E the turtle shells in early Db) be, and how much would it help a persons speed and strength? and is it posible to focus a lot of your chi into a certain part of your body (I.E the arms) to help temporarily increse strength in that part of the body? By this I am asking that if it is possible to focus you chi into you arms, how heavy a wieght could a master martial artist push or pull? I hope these questions are not too stupid and I hope you understand that I am a realist, I would just like to know (if just out of curiosity) how much of dbz could happen, and how much of it is confined to tv screens, manga volumes and Akira Toriyamas brain. (p.s sorry about the spelling, I am using a new keyboard, this mixed with the fact that I am dyslexic does not lead to very forum friendly spelling and grammer)

#88503 - 12/07/04 05:25 PM Re: So is it all crap then

Uh..he he he he

None.. DBZ is a cartoon thats all.

#88504 - 12/07/04 05:31 PM Re: So is it all crap then

Well I do know it is a cartoon, but are you saying that none of it is based on actual techniques or training styles? If that is what you are saying then ok, but I was quite sure that the internal movement of chi throught the body was used in the braking of stone and moving large objects and such, ah well.

#88505 - 12/07/04 05:53 PM Re: So is it all crap then

There is a grain of truth is alot of the stuff in dragon ball and some in Dragon ball Z. The facts can easily be told from the fiction however. Example Master Roshi has Goku and Killin dig fields with their finger tips all day, and deliver milk by foot. Where you can train yourself physically by doing hard activities you cant dig a field with your finger tips.

It should be pretty easy to seperate fact from fiction. The chi stuff in DB I consider not disproveable, im of the belief that perhaps ranged chi attacks are possible. Perhaps they are possible but no human can master them. (Im very open minded)

Keep in mind that Goku is not human he is in fact a Sayian, a super powerfull race from another planet. His abilities with chi exceed a humans a tenfold. So in theory if DBZ's take on chi was still 100% real no one here could do most of the stuff in the show.

If you study tia chi, or other IMAS and do your book reading you will see where they extrapolated alot of their creative ideas.

But this isn't a DBZ discussion forum and this threads bound to get shut down.

[This message has been edited by Hunter (edited 12-07-2004).]

#88506 - 12/08/04 06:17 AM Re: So is it all crap then
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Registered: 07/16/03
Posts: 1656
Loc: Colorado, USA
Yes it is all crap!

It's hard enough to learn true internal techniques from books and videos that are non-fiction and directed specifically toward the subjuct of internal training.
So what makes you think that a friggin cartoon has any usable information.
It is simply worthless garbage. If you have a truue interest in the IMA's find a teacher.


#88507 - 12/09/04 12:15 PM Re: So is it all crap then

Oh for cryin' out loud, take it easy on the guy. He's been the most respectable, level headed (within reason) guy to bring this up yet. If you must give him a negative as an answer, try to do it in a positive way. Ya cynical, bitter, (mumble)


#88508 - 12/10/04 09:35 AM Re: So is it all crap then
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Registered: 02/18/04
Posts: 4370
Loc: Woodbury NJ
I don't think your question is stupid but most MA don't think about stuff like this, we are more interested in technique and training...........however as you train and advance many of "your thoughts" are natual to us but we don't belabor the point, it's a no mind type of thing, it happens natually.

#88509 - 12/10/04 12:20 PM Re: So is it all crap then

Thank you for the responses, I probably brought this up in the wrong forum, I guess I was asking more out of curiousity as a DBZ fan than as a martial artist, as it happens I am learning a martial art and even if any of what happenes in DBZ is true I am still years away from beng able to master any of it (and by stuff in DBZ being true I am not talking about the ki balls and that, more of the heavily wieghted training). At the moment I am just building my body into a state where it can start to learn fighint forms and techniqes, so I guess I wasn't asking so that I could imitait any of the training styles, more just out of curiosity. Anyway thanks again for the responses, I look foward to posting on these forums, and hopefully if I have any issues I hae with my art I can find some help here.

#88510 - 12/10/04 03:52 PM Re: So is it all crap then
Fisherman Offline

Registered: 07/16/03
Posts: 1656
Loc: Colorado, USA,

What martial art are you getting into?

I haven't watched any of the DBZ myself. I tend to try and keep my training methods and fighting techniques based in the real world. I am even hesitant to learn to much from videos or books. This doesn't mean I don't learn things pertaining to my MA from the vids or books - I just try and make sure that the majority of the information I use in my training comes from reliable sources such as my teacher.

Good luck and welcome.


#88511 - 12/10/04 07:03 PM Re: So is it all crap then

I must agree. Shooting your energy to wipe out a planet, a person, or a blade of grass is all BS.

the only real energy is the internal kind. the kind you feel when you take a deep breath before a sparring match, or a test, or whatever. It's an energy that can relax you or pump you up, but it's nothing like "Dragon Ball Z."

Wake up.

Have you ever seen ANYONE doing something like that? If humans could, don't you think everyone would know?

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