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#87102 - 07/29/04 12:33 PM IMA and Changes
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Recently I have been posting about the new conditioning stuff I have been working on especially where it concerns connective tissue strength (which is where I feel that IMA power comes from).

In the beginning I was concerned that adding resistance to the static postures (San Ti, Zhuan Zhuang, etc.) and working the tendons/ligaments with resistance would make me too tight in the joints.

Thankfully this has not been the case.

One thing that I am noticing is that my body's look and feel is changing. I think that I am beginning to understand the 'steel wrapped in cotton' analogy that is used to describe an 'internal body'.

My hands and arms are noticeably longer and much thicker in the wrists, elbows and shoulders. My upper back is getting very thick and the tendons/ligaments in my legs and arms are getting thicker and have much more spring to them.

For example, I was walking with my kids the other day and one went to run by (and of course trip, tackle or just generally piss off one of the other ones [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] ) and I moved my arm out in a position much like a Rail-Road Crossing arm looks.

My child (11) ran into the arm and added energy/force into the system. The arm absorbed the impact and then 'sprang'(for lack of a better term) back into her and she bounced off into the grass. The point is I made no motion, it just happened.

I think I almost heard a 'boing' sound.

I have also noticed that using the resistance to train the tendons gives a very good cardio workout.

This week I am adding a few sets that involve twisting the midsection with a 'belly full of air' and holding these positions like I do with the extremities. I hope to have some good success from this and again it not make me too stiff to move.


What physical changes have you noticed in your IMA training?


Scott

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#87103 - 07/29/04 01:16 PM Re: IMA and Changes
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Great thread idea!

From taoist/reverse breathing i have noticed a reduction in my "love handles". This came as a surprise to me because i had always been taught that it wasn't possible to spot-reduce fat. Presumeably, the increase in oxygen consumption as a result of deep breathing combined with exericising the abdomen to increase this capactiy has sped up the metabolism and that is the cause.

Other physical changes include the ability to sit for longer periods of time before my legs go numb. This greatly aids in being able to practice internal breathing methods because you can acieve a deeper level of relaxation when not bothered by that numbness.

And finally, my reconstitution time in external MA training is probably the most definitive change. After an aerobically intense kung fu workout (IMA doesnt make this hurt less yet), i can catch my breath and return to normal breathing and heart rates much sooner then prior to beginning the internal training.

I've learned to actually feel the tendons in my body and can tell they have gotten a wee bit stronger (i've only been doing tai chi for about 2-3 months).

quick question, anybody notice an increase in sugar cravings after practicing qigong? This seems silly, but i never used to fancy deserts and recently, they look so darn inviting....

~Ed

[This message has been edited by MrEd (edited 07-29-2004).]

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#87104 - 07/30/04 12:04 AM Re: IMA and Changes
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IMA teach me to store up chi on my body. i can feel that im more now stronger than usual, and also increase in stamina. i cannot be easily hurt by blows now, coz i feel my chi rushing to protects the portion i was hit. great flexibility too....

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#87105 - 07/30/04 07:46 AM Re: IMA and Changes
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What physical changes have you noticed in your IMA training?

The big change for me lately has been the ablity to relax and sink into my structure. This could also be described as the 'direct connection' to the ground that has been discussed on another thread. This has put a whole 'new' feeling in my form training as well as in push hands.

Whne doing forms I can feel my enitre body move better. This has helped my fluidity of motion. It has also helped me in linking the pieces of the forms together and makeing all of the movements seamless.

When doing push hands I have been amazed at how relaxation helps to increase the Ting jing/Listening skill in my body. It has also kept me from spazzing out when my opponent attacks. I am able to respond accordingly to their attack without having to use force against force.

Other things that I have noticed...
- Leg strength increase
- More flexibility in my hips and waist
- More flexibility in my spine
- I stand almost an 1 taller, although this is also due to having about 20 Rolfing Massage sessions.
- My girlfriend says my a** is getting bigger. Considering how skinny I am this is actually a pretty good complement!
I notice changes within my body almost every time I train, these are just some of the ones I have noticed today.

quick question, anybody notice an increase in sugar cravings after practicing qigong? This seems silly, but i never used to fancy deserts and recently, they look so darn inviting....

Can't say that I have. Maybe your body is craving protein? I know that I have increased my protein and water intake since I began Bagua.

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#87106 - 07/30/04 08:42 AM Re: IMA and Changes
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Don't think its protein.... I eat lots of chicken and drink plenty of water. Guess i'll hafta put deserts out of my mind using good ol fashioned will power.

I'm curious...whats a rolfing massage?

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#87107 - 07/30/04 09:49 AM Re: IMA and Changes
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[QUOTE]I'm curious...whats a rolfing massage?[/QUOTE]

Chris,

Has this been worth the pain, time and money? I really want to get this done, but haven't known anyone who has done it yet. Also, if you don't mind what was the cost?

Scott

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#87108 - 07/30/04 10:45 AM Re: IMA and Changes
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Hmm...did a little research:
http://va.essortment.com/whatisrolfing_rllo.htm

Sounds expensive considering the standard treatment requires ten consultations. The theory is interesting though. Their concepts of sinking into the center of gravity and manipulating soft body tissues seems to blend well with what IMAs are trying to accomplish....

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#87109 - 07/30/04 11:01 AM Re: IMA and Changes
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I;ve also been checking out the Alexander Technique and Tim Cartmell's True Balance method. They all fit in perfectly with the IMA's IMO.

Scott

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#87110 - 07/30/04 01:21 PM Re: IMA and Changes
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Has this been worth the pain, time and money? I really want to get this done, but haven't known anyone who has done it yet.

I would say yes to all of the above. A friend of mine put it best. Rolfing is like a second cousin to pleasure and pain. I seriously recommend getting it done if you have the chance. Seeing as how we are focused on constantly refining our structure, Rolfing helps to put you there. You just have to maintain the work that the Rolfer has done.

Also, if you don't mind what was the cost?

My guy is about $65-75 per session. Well worth it when the results show through.

I am a pretty lucky fellow in the sense that my Rolfer is also one of my Bagua teachers. They go hand in hand with each other. His knowlege of the human anatomy serves me quite well when he is going over the proper structural alignments of the body.

Give it a try if you can find someone in your area.

Chris

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#87111 - 08/02/04 03:31 AM Re: IMA and Changes
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kempoman and all,

there is a plethora of methods that are different but have more or less common nucleii of balance in posture, muscular tone/activation and breathing

imho this is a great thing, because it gives more people a chance to find "their own" way, but like in most endeavours, whichever way you choose to climb up the mountain you will reach the same top

my point: if you are already skilled in ima, in which (correct me if I'm wrong!) posture is one of the first things you work on and, with help and guidance of your teacher, correct, then what would you hope to achieve with rolfing?

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