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#85995 - 05/13/04 05:14 AM Re: What the hell is your problem?
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Ice monkey is f-in evil!!

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#85996 - 05/13/04 05:15 AM Re: What the hell is your problem?
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but then again, my name is Gokai, which means 'misunderstanding', so don't believe a word I say.

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#85997 - 05/13/04 05:18 AM Re: What the hell is your problem?
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Kempo, I appologise for being tetchy, but I have read these forums a bit and I just think that you guys may be being a bit closed-minded to the existance of (as you put it) insert-your-favorite-here-kinesis. There is always the possibilty of something existing, and I don't see why someone should be called stupid or whatever for expressing that belief.
For example, if this was a Christian forum and I started citing Hindu beliefs and was slammed for it, the it would be a situation of religious intolerance (although admittedly its a bit stupid to talk about another religion on a Christian site...)
However, I am not a little kid who watches too many cartoons. I do realise that most of the things you read on the net are a big smell pile of bull, but that doesn't discount the possibility of some of it being true. Perhaps people (including me) misunderstand the use of ki/chi/whatever. Perhaps those people are merely using a different area of ki's power. We don't know. You don't know. ad thus you should at least allow the rational discussion of such matters.

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#85998 - 05/13/04 08:58 AM Re: What the hell is your problem?
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[QUOTE] We don't know. You don't know. ad thus you should at least allow the rational discussion of such matters[/QUOTE]

Never a problem with a rational discussion of any topic but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Kempoman
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#85999 - 05/13/04 09:38 AM Re: What the hell is your problem?
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Icemonkey
"In fact, when ever I make a ki ball, it is cold, as opposed to the tingly, push/pull effect most people report."

"Personally, I feel a kind of coldness between my hands, with the occasional pins and needles type of tingle."

Could you explain which one it is? Do feel a tingling sinsation or not?

The problem with being open minded about any kind of kenesis is there is nothing what so ever to back it up. Chi/ki is a different story. I believe in some of the claims of people involving chi but am skepticle of most. I believe it is possible to remedy minor problems with chi training but doubt very seriously it could do anything for more serious health problems like cancer. I believe knockouts can result from pressurepoints and energy worrk but not to the extent of a no touch knockout. There are a lot of things we can't explain but are possible. Everyone i've seen who claimed any kind of kenesis was a con artist, and i've seen a lot, in person not on tv or the net.

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#86000 - 05/13/04 10:49 AM Re: What the hell is your problem?
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Could you explain which one it is? Do feel a tingling sinsation or not?

I'm sorry, my mistake! I wasn't really clear. Apparently, most people have a constant tingling feeling when they create a ki ball, but I feel occasionaly tingles on my fingers. Just little ones and spread apart. The cold thing is what is strange for me, I think.

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#86001 - 05/13/04 10:50 AM Re: What the hell is your problem?
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imho I think it's all to do with what the individual feels. There's no set way to do anything, no teacher can teach it, only guide you down a certain path. If someone can fire blasts, great, they're spesssial [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] , but if they can't, well it's their body.
"Being mortal is what makes the impossible, possible."

btw me and Ice monkey are buddys, so I'm likely to back him up or slate him - heavily.

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#86002 - 05/13/04 11:45 AM Re: What the hell is your problem?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by icemonkey:
Kempo, I appologise for being tetchy, but I have read these forums a bit and I just think that you guys may be being a bit closed-minded to the existance of (as you put it) insert-your-favorite-here-kinesis. There is always the possibilty of something existing, and I don't see why someone should be called stupid or whatever for expressing that belief.

Right on. It doesn't really matter who believes and who doesn't. He has a right to promote his oppinion.

And to you Kempoman, I don't think it is quite fair for you to lock threads and stuff just because you don't share their views on it. I don't mean any offense by it but I just had to tell you what I thought.

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#86003 - 05/13/04 11:58 AM Re: What the hell is your problem?
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If you disagree with the sane people grounded in reality who do not allow themselves to be mislead or are not delusional, mentaly unstable-therefore not believing in the various "kinesis'"-LEAVE! stop posting here-go find a DBZ site or site devoted to becoming a Jedi knight.

Kempoman is the moderator of the enrgy arts section-which means he does have the right to delete,lock, modify postings under this section. If you don't like his locking of the inane, puerile, delusional crap you have been posting-again, LEAVE!

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#86004 - 05/13/04 12:18 PM Re: What the hell is your problem?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kimono5:
And to you Kempoman, I don't think it is quite fair for you to lock threads and stuff just because you don't share their views on it. I don't mean any offense by it but I just had to tell you what I thought.[/QUOTE]

kimono5

Your opinion is valuable thank you for sharing it in reasonable manner. However, this is a site for serious martial artists and this website and forum (especially the Energy Arts section) have certain goals. I will not allow this place to become a joke from people posting silly things. If someone posts a reasonable post about a subject that I don't believe in it will not be locked. My opinon is not important, the contents of the posts are. I dont mind A thread about 'chi blasts' that contains a rational discussion. What I will not allow is posts that begin with a extraordinary statement, a request for proof and then a response to that request for proof that ignores the request for evidence. That is not debate and it will not help anyone.

On a side note there has been absoultely no proof or evidence offered to support the existance of chi balls, chi blasts, kenesises, levitation or other wild claims on this forum. No one has been able to produce the effects that they claim in a controlled situation/experiment. So the onus is on those who make wild claims to back them up with evidence. Now, that said I agree that skeptics tend to be a little dismissive (usually from having to debunk the same claims over and over and over with no offer of evidence to support the wild claim) and we can work on the tone of the posts in the future. I really want to make this forum a place for serious discussion. I am open to the possibility that I am incorrect, but I have not been shown to be as of this point in time.

I will offer my challenge again. If you can move me with your chi, hit me with a jing blast or in some way stop (non physical) me from pouring a glass of water on your head I will pay you $1,000.00 US.

I have had no takers. There is a larger prize ($1,000,000.00 US) offered by the JREF (James Randi Educational Foundation - www.randi.org) for anyone to prove the existance of any paranormal abilites. No one has even passed the prelimanary tests to date.

If we can all agree to have serious rational discussion on these subjects I am open to letting a couple of theads go ahead.

But as neko said there are always other sites that will allow any kind of drivel you would like to post.

Kempoman
Moderator - Energy Arts
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[This message has been edited by Kempoman (edited 05-13-2004).]

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