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#84767 - 02/25/01 12:16 AM Qi Gong
Brewer Offline
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Registered: 01/15/01
Posts: 468
Loc: Arizona,U.S.
Hello,
I've been studying the various arts for some time now. And for the Last ten years or so have got into the study of Qi Gong.I've developed the ability to transfer energy with my hands,It's also enabled me to help relieve pain from some people that have asked me to do so.There are some people that are very respondent and those that are not affected by it at all.If there is anyone out there that has any information regarding this
type of situation please reply.I am mainly looking for information on exploding Qi gong.
This is suppose to allow one to heal themselves,I have not advanced to this level
as yet.Any and all information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Your Brother in the Arts

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#84768 - 11/05/01 03:35 PM Re: Qi Gong
judderman Offline
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Loc: UK
Brewer,
Could you provide a little more info on the process you use.
I am able to do similar things, but I have not studied Qi Gong that much.

Pehaps I could provide a different outlook??

Regrards.

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#84769 - 11/16/01 04:58 PM Re: Qi Gong
Brewer Offline
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Loc: Arizona,U.S.
Hello Judderman,
I sort of do a heat and body energy type of application.I'm really interested in Exploding Qi,if you have any information on it I would appreciate it very much.I am also interested in your method as you said you do something similiar to what I do.In my case it has alot to do with Chi.I'm looking forward to your reply.
Your Brother in the Arts

[This message has been edited by Brewer (edited 11-16-2001).]

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#84770 - 11/17/01 10:36 AM Re: Qi Gong
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Brewer,
I see our application is similar. The difference is perhaps one of visulisation.

I set up a type of circuit, the 'pained' area in the middle as a sort of breaker.

I feel for shape and colour of the area, then slowly manipulate the energy in the area until the pain has gone, by changing the shape and colour of the 'pain'.

The draw back I have found is I can take on the pain instead. This is different to healing.

Here I use one hand to feel for the disruption in energy, which is sometimes located away from the area of pain. Then I add a small ammount of my own energy to the area before manipulating it manually.

I am unsure about explosive Qi Qong, I am afraid. I am able to control and reduce pain, but I am not sure about actually healing.

I look forward to your insights.

M

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#84771 - 11/25/01 06:51 PM Re: Qi Gong
Tulip Offline
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Posts: 6
Gentlemen,
I was happy to see your guys postings. I have recently myself started studying Chi Kung (qi gong). Brewer, what type of this have you been studying for so long? I recently purchased a book called "The Way Of Energy" which teaches the Zhan Zhuang style. My sifu also recommended a book called "Opening your energy gates" that I have ordered but not yet received. I am very much looking forward to progessing in my study of this art.
I currently study T'ien Shan P'ai kung-fu and my sifu swears by the benefits of Chi Kung. He says he "heals" quicker when hurt now, and very rarely gets sick. He has only been practicing for a little over a year so he is also very new to the art.
On the matter of both you guys being able to transfer energy to or from other people may not be that far fetched. From everything that I have read it does not seem weird at all to be able to do things like that. I think that it all comes down to channeling your Chi. I have not heard of explosive Chi Kung but I will look in to it. I think there are a lot of things that we can do, most people are just to impatient to put the time in to reach that point. Hell, we only use 20% of our brains....ever wonder what the other 80% does, I do.

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#84772 - 11/27/01 09:04 PM Re: Qi Gong
Brewer Offline
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Loc: Arizona,U.S.
Hello Tulip,
Actually it has been an accumalation of years.As I stated ,I started Qi Gong about ten years ago and along the way picked up Tai Chi Chuan and Dim Mak.The three all go together,the meditative resources,energy channeling,healing properties and the ability and knowledge to protect oneself,last but not least,the mysticism of it all.
I don't per say practice any certain style of Qi Gong, to me it is a way of helping to heal and or treat others with certain types of ailments and it can on the other hand be used to protect oneself and if need be,,do personal harm to a would be attacker.
As far as Chi Kung is concerned,it is really the same thing as Qi Gong but one will find more available material on Qi Gong as they do have a magazine on it and it does have some very informative articles in it.The publisher incase you are interested is Pacific Rim Publishing.
Now, in studying forms of Kung I have mainly concentrated on Iron Broom Kung and Iron Forearm Kung and a form of Fist Kung.One has to remember that some of these Arts go to the extreme and some of it is a bit far fetched to believe.For information on these Arts and many more pertaining to Kung, you can check out a book "Kung Fu" History,Philosophy and Technique By David Chow and Richard Spangler. The Art that is physically discribed within the book,with pictures of various techniques is known as Chin Na.
I have to say that the two main ingredients in learning to channel my chi,ki or qi,are
Qi Gong and Dim Mak.The energy Channeling exercises in these two are totally and completely amazing.Considering Maditative properties,I would have to put Tai Chi Chuan and Dim Mak ahead of the class.Mainly because these are the only known forms of moving meditation really known to the Eastern and Western Worlds,the rest are all like Yoga.
I'm going to stop here and if you would like to discuss it further,let me know.To let you know where I am coming from,I have 44 years in the Arts.I don't want to sound like I have a big head or something but I figured thet if you knew something about me, then you would be better able to understand.
Take care,
Your Brother in the Arts

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#84773 - 11/28/01 03:08 PM Re: Qi Gong
Brewer Offline
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Posts: 468
Loc: Arizona,U.S.
Judderman and Tulip,
Check out this site,I just copied Jade Body Gong,it's great. www.qi.org
It's the Qi-Gong Association of American
Let me know what you think.
judderman when you take on pain,you need to channel that energy out your other hand.
take care,
Your Brother in the Arts

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#84774 - 12/31/01 12:13 PM Re: Qi Gong
Mal Wagner Offline
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Registered: 08/20/00
Posts: 36
Loc: Maurepas, La., U.S.A.
Greetings group,

I study Isshinryu karate and Kundalini Yoga, and freelance as a massage therapist for the hands. I read a comment in the thread that said that one healer adds energy to the area. I have found that adding energy to another person is like donating an organ to someone else---the chance of rejection is very high because it is attuned to the donor's energy system. I find it is more helpful to visualize removing the person's energy "block" without adding your own energy to the system. Doing differently may be why you seem to absorb the malady after healing.

As far as "exploding energy", you may run a search on "fajing" or Earl Montaigue (sp?), as he sites exploding energy as the key to the whole martial-effectiveness of Tai Chi.

Others may have differing opinions, but I closely relate "Fajing" to "Chinkuchi" in the Okinawan arts, and nothing is better at developing chinkuchi (body-flinching power) than Sanchin.

Hope this helps,
Mal Wagner

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#84775 - 01/01/02 07:12 PM Re: Qi Gong
Anonymous
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Hi! I just recently learned the 'Jade Body' Ki Kung routine. After doing it before and after my workouts (which consists of an hour of weightlifting before class [Isshinru]), I notice that I don't get as sore and I tend to heal after the workouts faster.

Any comments on this at all would be appreciated. Also, any links to Ki Kung sites on the net would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

[This message has been edited by Vash (edited 01-03-2002).]

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#84776 - 05/20/02 03:31 PM Re: Qi Gong
hideki Offline
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Registered: 05/20/02
Posts: 4
Loc: brasil
hi,

in São Paulo, brasil, a aikido master - ono sensei - teach a breath techinique named nishino-ryu kokyuho. with this, he can project yours studentes many meters (almost 12, like me), without external power. in video, I see nishino kozu sensei doing the same.

please, i really apreciate infos about nishino-ryu kokyuho, taikiken and yiquan.

thanks



[This message has been edited by hideki (edited 05-20-2002).]

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#84777 - 09/18/02 08:44 PM Re: Qi Gong
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Posts: 3400
Loc: MiddleEarth
It seems as if the healing aspect you are talking of is similar to Reiki, although it is not Reiki unless you have received a Reiki attunement.

All hands emit a certain amount of Chi energy from the palms, with Reiki this is amplified to maybe 200-500 times the normal energy. Qui gong will also help build up Chi in the body through the meridiens.

An extension of your Qui Gong training would be to find a Reiki master and get your level 1 attunement, from there you can decide to continue as a healer or not. I find Reiki healing comes in very handy for all those martial arts injuries! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

I am now Reiki Level 2 and am having my Level 3 & Masters attunement in October. I'm happy to answer any questions on Reiki and its use in healing and Martial arts etc. Our martial arts group teaches Qui Gong, meditation and Reiki as part of our internal arts practice. Study of pressure points and their application is also a large part of our activities.

The important thing to remember is that Reiki energy does not deplete the body's energy [it is done by channeling of Universal Energy] whereas many other methods of healing do deplete the chi.

When treating with Reiki it can be felt by the receiver as heat [its like being heated up from the inside] and also by the practioner as their hands heat up! The treatment is given via each of the body's chakras although for injuries it is done on the injured part.

I would urge you to continue with this extension of your abilities and see how it changes your life.

Reiki blessings
Reiki

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#84778 - 10/31/02 12:01 PM Re: Qi Gong
Lo C'hi Offline
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Registered: 10/27/02
Posts: 88
Loc: L.I.,N.Y.
Hi Reiki,
I hope you are well and still checking this mb.
When I attended my level 1 attunement, Reiki was described as a part of the chi kung spectrum of internal energy. Do you agree?
I have not had enough practice to consider myself a healer, but by concentrating on chanelling energy through the chakra areas during my chi kung routines I have found a marked increase in power and focus during forms and sparring and healing between classes. I usually stand and do chi kung between rounds rather then sit.
As far as exploding Qi Gong, the only place I have read about it was in a Chan style Tai Chi book. Chan is a very combat oriented form of Tai Chi that a Chi Gung master I worked with practices.
Be Well and train hard.
Al

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#84779 - 11/12/02 05:04 PM Re: Qi Gong
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Posts: 3400
Loc: MiddleEarth
Both Chi Kung/Qi Gong and Reiki deal with movement of Chi throughout the body. As Reiki healers we channel universal chi or Qi, with Qi Gong we work with our own internal chi/Qi. Don't get the energies confused.

Remember if it's depleting your internal energy it's not Reiki, its your own energy, and you will need to restore it at some stage or you will feel awful. You can treat with Reiki all day without getting the slightest bit tired.

If you are a level 1 practioner then you are a healer, whether or not you've had a lot of practice!

I use a set of Qi Gong exercises to build Chi and increase my energy levels too! The reiki comes in really handy too for self treatment & focus. Meditation helps a lot.

For high stress situations use kidney position and treat for at least 5mins. The "cosmic plug" position over front & back of 3rd eye is also useful as an energy boost if feeling tired. Let the reiki flow as it will.

reiki blessings, & train hard!
Reiki [I'm now a Reiki Master!]

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#84780 - 11/18/02 01:41 PM Re: Qi Gong
Lo C'hi Offline
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Registered: 10/27/02
Posts: 88
Loc: L.I.,N.Y.
Hi Reiki,
Thanx for the info and congrats on the new Reiki level you have attained.
I am looking forward to trying the treatments you described. I think it is great that Reiki is gaining respect in the medical and martial arts communities. Too many martial arts focus on the external and some never address internal arts for strength, healing and longevity, no matter how long you study.
I think that every martial artist should also study a healing art to provide a balance to their training and lifestyle.

Be well and take care.

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#84781 - 03/22/03 10:38 PM Re: Qi Gong
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Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 472
Loc: Brockton
I've read that clockwise movement puts energy in, and counterclockwise takes energy out of the person. The two successful healings I did, one was felt like heat and the other like electricity. Also I've heard that you have to release the bad energy into the ground or out a joint so as not to be adversely affected. When I did Qi gong steady for a week, my old ankles felt great , when I stopped they eventually felt old again

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#84782 - 03/26/03 05:47 PM Re: Qi Gong
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scholar:
I've read that clockwise movement puts energy in, and counterclockwise takes energy out of the person. The two successful healings I did, one was felt like heat and the other like electricity. Also I've heard that you have to release the bad energy into the ground or out a joint so as not to be adversely affected. When I did Qi gong steady for a week, my old ankles felt great , when I stopped they eventually felt old again[/QUOTE]

The chakras [energy centres] of the body normally spin clockwise. If they need help then you make the energy go more clockwise. If they are overactive then you make the energy spin CCW. According to what I've learnt anyway.

Generally speaking if you are using Reiki for healing [and not your own energy] you may/or may not feel heat as the energy goes. And you can feel anything from a mild tingling through to an unpleasant electric shock sensation. Often I see colours & images and hear sounds, feel sensations, depends on the person being treated and the practioner.

You are right about grounding in a sense, you should always make your grounding connection *before* any healing session otherwise you have the risk of using your own energy and also picking up negatives from your patient!

Think of becoming a tree and growing your roots into Mother Earth... as a suggestion to help energy ground and release, then at the end of treatments make sure you and your patient drink lots of water!! This will reduce any feelings of spaciness or drifting and allow proper connection of energy back to earth.

Remember to do self treatments daily, these aid your recovery and keep the Reiki energy flowing as it should. This is what I tell all my new attunees and if they continue with this then they are able to channel the energy more efficiently.

Reiki Blessings

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#84783 - 03/26/03 09:45 PM Re: Qi Gong
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What about Chi kung exercises used for toughening the body and being able to withstand powerful blows? Anyone have information about this??

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#84784 - 04/07/03 06:27 PM Re: Qi Gong
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mikelw:
What about Chi kung exercises used for toughening the body and being able to withstand powerful blows? Anyone have information about this??[/QUOTE]

Daoist breathing also helps....
or at least I find it helpful in moving ki to where it is needed most for protection. Our system teaches this as a useful method to help withstand blows in sparring etc

I have a good book at home on Qui Gong exercises for health and for MA, will have a look and give u the name of it, u should be able to get it at Borders [which is where I got mine from].

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#84785 - 04/13/03 03:44 PM Re: Qi Gong
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Reiki:
I have a good book at home on Qui Gong exercises for health and for MA, will have a look and give u the name of it, u should be able to get it at Borders [which is where I got mine from].[/QUOTE]

It's called:
Qigong for Health & Martial Arts - exercises & meditation by dr Yang, Jwing-Ming
a YMAA Publication from Boston

It has historical background of Qigong and general principles of MA Qi Gong, Wei Dan, Nei Dan, Qi enhancement, massage, meridiens, pressure points and acupuncture, MA apps, cavity press [pressure point apps] etc
quite a nice book. It contains about 10 sets of qui gong exercises of varying types.

[Just running thru the chapter headings to give u an idea of what's in it.]

Budo

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#84786 - 05/22/03 06:22 PM Re: Qi Gong
swords Offline
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Loc: Rialto, California,USA
chi only works on those who believe it intill your chi is stronger then those who don't believ in it


swift

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#84787 - 05/22/03 06:33 PM Re: Qi Gong
swords Offline
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I have self studing on chi and I have not been truly sick for over six years I had cought a bad flu that had cycle in my house hold but I only kepted mine for 30min. every one else had it for weeks no knows what was it

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