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#83769 - 06/17/04 05:10 PM Re: zazen
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Natural and as simple as a child seated cross legged and just enjoying the nature of their being and how this creates the realities of what one see, think and hear. One to zazen as meditation has been a practice I have done everyday almost for 25 or more years. Second nature, first nature as I have no second nature just natural child "born to be "wild" and free as nature is. Learning all the time about huang-po and others never offender about new knowledge just grateful for info.

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#83770 - 06/19/04 07:30 PM Re: zazen
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pete thank you for your reply and shareing your experience of zen and your life.I use the ancient masters words as signpost as i will use your words to further my own development and experience of this ancient and powerful practice.I choose huang-po for this thread because his teaching has touched my life the most and has been a silent guide. pete my heart felt best wishes to you and your family in your battle against cancer.

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#83771 - 06/20/04 11:23 AM Re: zazen
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by gokenki1:
pete thank you for your reply and shareing your experience of zen and your life.I use the ancient masters words as signpost as i will use your words to further my own development and experience of this ancient and powerful practice.I choose huang-po for this thread because his teaching has touched my life the most and has been a silent guide. pete my heart felt best wishes to you and your family in your battle against cancer.[/QUOTE]

The battle has already been won and "best wishes have been granted". No more real danger from "cancer" recovery huang-po and krisnamutri they are all sign post to one own silent guide. The reality of the moment does heal the body "negative and anxiety stress etc" can cause one not to fight the battle and win the war, comes from dialy practise of meditation since young age. Fears, guilts and anxiety of the moment are all part of "real cancer" that appears as unexpressed emotions. Second time in life has already won battle against "life trauma" so had a good training in emotional intelligence "as I have learn thinking has a powerful effect on stomach". This has decipline my mind to "reality of the moment and what thinking can either be a cure or does not help to recover. Self-hypnosist have used since 14 to understand and cure "heal thy self physician". All tumour in neck and chest have begun to dissipate and only small amount of residual toxin still being "neutralized by metabolism" as meditation slows the metabolism down and helps toxins in a natural way to excreet. No more strange burning smells and swollen lung tissue. Relaxation and deep self-hynosis have once again brought me back to "the reality of the moment". All other physical signs are healing and new "self confidence again". Gifts appearing again music, memory, and understanding of my own "karma as what is the content of my mind to be in the reality of the moment".


[This message has been edited by pete (edited 06-20-2004).]

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#83772 - 06/20/04 09:27 PM Re: zazen
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pete glad to here you are winning the battle. to be in the now is very powerful and makes every thing you do zazen.I was told once that zazen is to abide in the absoulute.

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#83773 - 06/21/04 04:36 PM Re: zazen
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by gokenki1:
pete glad to here you are winning the battle. to be in the now is very powerful and makes every thing you do zazen.I was told once that zazen is to abide in the absoulute.[/QUOTE]

The absolute is a concept of totality that does not exists, there only the "reality of mind and concrete objects outside the mind".
Abide in the mind now moment and the absolute will remain the "cultural perspective that is a concept" that does not have a basis in the reality of the mind. A theory that cannot be tested as the mind is finite and not absolute. No consciousnes inaminate object or "unknown concept of the universe, just supposition." The mind is the limit and no equipment to "verify this absolute"

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#83774 - 06/21/04 04:50 PM Re: zazen
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by gokenki1:
pete glad to here you are winning the battle. to be in the now is very powerful and makes every thing you do zazen.I was told once that zazen is to abide in the absoulute.[/QUOTE]

Hishiryo is the harmonizing of objective and subjective views, ultimate consciousness beyond time and space, the highest consciousness, universal, beyond all existences, beyond thinking and non-thinking. To experience hishiryo consciousness, that is Zen.

Basically the present moment and nothing else not universal in the sense of mystical but earthly and real. A misunderstanding of the term "universal", Not beyond time and space just the moment.

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#83775 - 06/24/04 07:56 PM Re: zazen
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the absoulute and haisihryo different words same meaning, thats why zen cannot truely be expressed in words.

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#83776 - 06/25/04 12:52 PM Re: zazen
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by gokenki1:
the absoulute and haisihryo different words same meaning, thats why zen cannot truely be expressed in words.[/QUOTE]

Can be expressed in music and physical reaction to external circumstances with "seeing what is there and reacting to what is now" Seeing this without fears, and phychological conditioning and emotionalism of the moment. A reaction that is translated to one dialy life with certain choices and not another". A character that is based on reality of the moment, and not "words" articulated reaction only without chosing way to live dialy life".

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#83777 - 06/27/04 06:40 PM Re: zazen
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pete nicely said I agree. this is truely to be free in all we do.


Scott

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#83778 - 06/28/04 01:51 PM Re: zazen
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by gokenki1:
pete nicely said I agree. this is truely to be free in all we do.


Scott
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Cultural, religion, music one can see and not have a bias see the whole and not part of the whole. All culture reveals its expression and one can tap into one freedom to listen, react, and not be inhibited by one own bias. All barriers of the mind that hinders growth are released and set free, and there is listening, hearing and seeing with the world perspective and understanding one,s understanding of unknown cultural input. Knowledge that is only limited by one,s path to freedom of mind to just "be" and absorb that which is free.

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