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#83364 - 12/06/04 04:05 PM Re: Fists of steel?
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Jesh, jack, harsh words. Did enybody realize this is totaly off topic?

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#83365 - 12/06/04 04:35 PM Re: Fists of steel?
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To bring this back on topic, Get a bag of mung beans and some dit da jow. Progressivly strike the bag harder with all parts of the hand until it hurts, then back off just a little and do it at that strength for 20 minutes. Apply the dit da jow to the affected area and continue for several months.

Don't try to break your knuckles and reform them. That is stupid. i know from experience. I have a "brick fist" and it sure aches like hell when it starts raining, lol. Besides, I used to break bricks and boards and all that stuff, then my "brick fist" punched it's way through my tendon, lol. Trust me, you don't want to feel that.

Open hands are effective. If you don't believe me, come over to my place and I'll teach you the power slap, lol. What about knife hands? Have you ever heard of the crane's neck? It is a very powerful open hand Kung Fu technique (I can break a brick with it). But if you are really that attached to you fists, try using hammer fists instead, they cause very little damage to your hand.

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#83366 - 12/06/04 11:38 PM Re: Fists of steel?
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The reason I fumed over what Ajacks has said is because people read these some times and take stuff on it very seariously, and try drek like hes saying. You will hurt yourself you will cripple your hand like this.

I think the mod should deleat this thread for this reason.

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#83367 - 12/07/04 05:17 PM Re: Fists of steel?
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Isent a cranes neck a strike with the tips of the fingers, when there bunched up. You can break a brick with that?! You mush have strong fingers I wouldent try it.
As for power slap I never heard of it. its probobly like a jaguar paw strike.

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#83368 - 12/08/04 06:21 PM Re: Fists of steel?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rock_fght:
Isent a cranes neck a strike with the tips of the fingers, when there bunched up. You can break a brick with that?!
[/QUOTE]

No, that's a spear-hand. I wish I could break a brick with my spear-hand, lol.
The crane's neck uses a fluid wave of energy up the arm and connects with the back of the wrist (with the hand still open). Through sheer dynamics it hits with a lot more force than you actually put into it.

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#83369 - 12/16/04 10:17 PM Re: Fists of steel?
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I didn't read through the entire list of posts (that mother is long!) but did someone mention Dit Da Jau? (not sure on the spelling) In mandarin it translates into "hit and fall lintement". The chinese use this for thier iron body training to prevent arthritis and complications. It's basically an herbal linement that takes 3 months to make, and basically it's the bacteria in the fermenting process that is absorbed by your skin and tendons. It speeds up the healing process so you can blasting away at bricks everyday and not have to worry about complications when you're older. However, make sure you don't buy it on the market. That stuff is crap. Find a kung fu school near you and ask them to make it for you, or just contact me since i know someone who makes it. Plus, you need instruction on how to apply it, becuase if you do it wrong you could lose your hand or even your arm due to infections. My finger was swollen due to a match, and one Sifu applied tiger bone Jau on my hand, and the swelling stopped. I'm not saying this is a miracle ointment, and some types of Jau work better on some people for unknown reasons. Do your research, and find out more about it if you're interested in iron body training.

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#83370 - 12/25/04 03:46 AM Re: Fists of steel?
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ONLY a professional should be doing this!!!(should not be handing out such dangerous and clearly false advice. I don't know if you believe this BS that you spew, or are a troll, but I repeat DO NOT listen to him, he speaks idiocy.) This I can assure you is the truth - if you want to end up with arthritis, by all means continue abusing your hands.
(This iron hand thing is total BS you cannot break bones in your hand and then manually put them back in place and have a stronger fist. The hand is a delicate complex structure that took millions of years to develop, don't ruin yours.) Do not I repeat DO NOT break the bones in your hand on purpose!! and expect major complications learning from a master if you do. You show your immaturity by questioning people with such STUPID ideas. If you are going to learn an art PLEASE by all means LEARN IT !! Take these questions to your local Master - not here to the lunatic ravings of someone trying to cut the learning process and get to a processed point that takes years to master. I am a woman and a nurse I can tell you horrible injuries I have seen over the years to hands - and once you mess up the bones THEY DO NOT REPAIR. There is no miracle cure for the pain of arthritic hands,
unless you want to forecast the weather before the 6 o'clock news. I can appreciate anyone who wants to improve their body and mind. Fist of steel - are a concept. To be able to throw a devastating blow, I do agree with the writer above that states.......
(If you need a hand of iron do safe and reasonable conditioning. Do finger pushups, this will make your grip so strong it wont lessen with impact and minimalise injury)....minimalism....the idea of this training is to condition your body to react and strike defensively. I do not believe in any part of your training does anyone tell you to destroy your body (Hand here) to make it more powerful. Listen to the Masters that know. Not the ramblings of a child on a message board trying to be a part of a group he thinks is cool. Not cool to break your hands, not cool at all. There are many specific exercises that can be done to improve hand muscle strength.
And to the one fellow.....I will be seeing you in the emergency room. you will be the one with numbness and tingling sensations - and lack of blood flow to body parts. As far as holding a girls hand, try telling her you break your bones on purpose...see how long she holds on.
I wish you vitality, prosperity and good old fashioned strong healthy conditioned bones. Please don't break your bones anymore.
Ajacks IS NOT a professional.

By the way your little message board here has made it to the emergency room at our local hospital. There are quite a few surgeons that are eager to speak with you and your parents Rock_fghtMember , we'll leave the light on for 'ya. I found your thread here looking up new medications for boxers with severe arthritis.

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#83371 - 12/28/04 12:13 PM Re: Fists of steel?
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He, he ok jacky o buddy old pal i belive she just exposed you [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Quote; (Endorfin)

----(This iron hand thing is total BS you cannot break bones in your hand and then manually put them back in place and have a stronger fist. The hand is a delicate complex structure that took millions of years to develop, don't ruin yours.) Do not I repeat DO NOT break the bones in your hand on purpose!! and expect major complications learning from a master if you do. You show your immaturity by questioning people with such STUPID ideas. If you are going to learn an art PLEASE by all means LEARN IT !! Take these questions to your local Master - not here to the lunatic ravings of someone trying to cut the learning process and get to a processed point that takes years to master.----

whoohoo!! girl nurse power!!! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Quote; once again Endorfin

----And to the one fellow.....I will be seeing you in the emergency room. you will be the one with numbness and tingling sensations - and lack of blood flow to body parts. As far as holding a girls hand, try telling her you break your bones on purpose...see how long she holds on.
I wish you vitality, prosperity and good old fashioned strong healthy conditioned bones. Please don't break your bones anymore.

Whooohoooo!!! more girl power!!! got a laugh from that one. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Heres the killer
Quote; the executor Endorfin

-----Ajacks IS NOT a professional

lest here that again shall we [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Ajacks IS NOT a professional
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Ajacks IS NOT a professional
Ajacks IS NOT a professional
Ajacks IS NOT a professional
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Ajacks IS NOT a professional
Ajacks IS NOT a professional
Ajacks IS NOT a professional!!!!! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

OOOooooo!

Hear that mates jack is a bloody lier!!
This makes me sooo sad. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/IMG]

sorry but the nurse made me think your a troll. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

She makes more sense than you.

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-----By the way your little message board here has made it to the emergency room at our local hospital. There are quite a few surgeons that are eager to speak with you and your parents Rock_fghtMember , we'll leave the light on for 'ya. I found your thread here looking up new medications for boxers with severe arthritis.----

He, har, har, yea right, if you where looking up new medications with sever boxers arthritis you wouldent be looking for the kid that started a thread that broke a bunch of (stupid) peoples hands, which by the way was Jacks idea, and ya cant kick me off or enything because Endorfin's just a member,
so...Did you become a member just so you could tell jack and I... er, just jack, how stupid our.. er, his hand breaking thingy was.
make the surgens read this thread and tell' em they can kiss my tushi. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#83372 - 12/28/04 01:15 PM Re: Fists of steel?
Anonymous
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Dude make more sense when you type, and refrain from all the smilies.

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#83373 - 12/30/04 10:56 PM Re: Fists of steel?
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Registered: 10/31/03
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Loc: Wales
Id like to mention that i have been conditioning my hands for around a year now with substantial results using an iron palm method please dont confuse iron palm with lies of deliberately breaking and molding your hand this is lunacy and ofcourse a dangerous thing iron palm doesnt involve hurting yourself or creating calouses hurting yourself or causing calouses are a sign of inproper training and result in you needing to take days away from practice because of the self harm caused
I do believe it is necessary to condition the fist as it is a method of striking heavily used in my art and for the reason that it is much more destructive than a palm, yes a palm distributes the force better and more directly but because the knuckles have a far smaller surface area than a palm the pressure is much greater, in short iron palm is a method for you to REDUCE harm to yourself by greatly increasing the strength of your hand so that you will not break your hand if your required to use your fist.

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