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#83040 - 06/27/04 06:10 PM Re: shins as hard as steel

How do you know when you're hitting hard enough to microfracture your bones?

Seems a little farfetched.

#83041 - 07/08/04 04:05 PM Re: shins as hard as steel

It is a well known fact that when a bone is broken or injured it heals back stronger than it was.

This is the same concept behind shin conditioning just on a smaller scale.

#83042 - 07/15/04 11:09 PM Re: shins as hard as steel

It's not like some crack heads came up w/ this and posted in an internet forum. Martial artists have done this for years. Especially in Muay Thai and Karate. I've heard two sides though, about long term damage. Some say the nerves grow back and your in pain others say its fine. I'm going to go ahead and start conditioning though.

#83043 - 07/16/04 12:30 AM Re: shins as hard as steel

Two sides to the coin ... if it works for you kewl ... if not, no sweat.

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#83044 - 07/27/04 02:51 AM Re: shins as hard as steel

I saw one kickboxing match where a fighter did a roundhouse kick and the defender only put up his leg to block it and the kicker's shin broke. It was ugly, half of the guy's lower leg just flopped over. Also, I discovered that there are several martial arts that don't use kicks with the shin including okinawan karate, the art I started my martial arts journey with. Of the four kicks in shorin-ryu, the groin kick is the only kick where the shin could even remotely be used. Anatomy: Recalcified bone and mini-fractures = brittle and weaker bone structure (unless taking calcium magnesium supplements, but even then it's system wide and not localized). Nerves grow back in time so deadening training has to be constant or else a little feeling will come back, sometimes more sensitive in some spots than before (watch out for that peroneal nerve). Broken shin bones occur more often among fighters in Thailand than most people realize. Conclusion: Train to be sensitive enough to know when or when not to use a roundhouse kick.

#83045 - 07/27/04 03:10 AM Re: shins as hard as steel
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Registered: 06/09/04
Posts: 280
Loc: Adelaide,australia
Iv seen that video to, Probably the worst kickboxing injury iv seen. Kind of discourages you from that style of round house's doesn't it?

#83046 - 07/27/04 03:26 PM Re: shins as hard as steel
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Registered: 02/18/04
Posts: 4370
Loc: Woodbury NJ
I've broken more base ball bats than a ball player and never have I had to condition my shins, what bunch of BS. Your shins as a MA are banged up enough from fighting and the heavy bag. There is know reason to smash or bang your leg with heavy objects to try and condition them. The clean break come from speed and power, not a "conditioned shin, leg" OK for the skeptics, I have heard of people that do condtion thier shins for fighting, I suppose it has to do with the pain threshold or something?

#83047 - 07/28/04 11:59 AM Re: shins as hard as steel

A kid in our class practices iron shin (along with most of the higher level students) but they do not go around whacking themselves with hammers or rolling pins. they simply roll a weighted bar on their shins. He twisted his knee and had to go to the E.R. they told him his bones were much more dense than average. so they did a bone density test on his brother, who also trains in iron shin, and his were much more dense. I don't know if it documented proof that iron shin increases bone density, but i don't see why not. saying rolling a bar on your shins breaks bones makes as much sense as lifting weight tears up muscles and makes you weaker.

Everything should be done in moderation. Whacking your shins with rods will cause problems just like lifting more weight than you should will hurt you, not to mention make you weak.

[This message has been edited by coxne (edited 07-28-2004).]

#83048 - 08/07/04 10:52 PM Re: shins as hard as steel

Grr. My boyfriend used to train in Muay Thai (he's Laos, so duh) and Kung Fu. To condition his legs and forearms, he hits trees as hard as he can. When first starting out, he tied a bunch of shirts around a tree than wrapped in it ducktape. It's quite effective, because his shins are hard enough to break my bones.


#83049 - 08/16/04 02:51 PM Re: shins as hard as steel
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Registered: 06/10/04
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Loc: St. Clair Shores, MI USA
Coxne mentioned bone density thru training. Sure - it's just like building muscle via lifting. It's a cycle of breaking down & building the bone back up. The "tunnels" in the bone get smashed out of existence.

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