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#82899 - 04/18/04 06:22 AM Re: Does size matter
darkesthours Offline
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Registered: 04/18/04
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Loc: Orange, CA USA
Depending on the situation, size can be an advantage or disadvantage. If one person is bigger than the other, then grapples are going to be swayed to the advantage of the stronger opponent (assuming skill is equal). Reach also comes into play when fighting at a distance. However, smaller fighters can usually find solid oppening by moving around and trying to take the side or attack the sides of larger opponents (also assuming skill is equal).

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#82900 - 04/18/04 07:42 AM Re: Does size matter
rjhartu Offline
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Size doesn't matter one bit, nor does strength or speed. Proper timing and distancing is all that truly matters, once someone breaks the balance of an individual that individual wins.

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#82901 - 04/19/04 07:28 AM Re: Does size matter
UKfightfreak Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by rjhartu:
Size doesn't matter one bit, nor does strength or speed. Proper timing and distancing is all that truly matters, once someone breaks the balance of an individual that individual wins.[/QUOTE]

Sorry to tell you, it really does matter.

Why are the fastest runners on the planet loaded with muscle?

Why are marathon runners skinny?

Why are competitions split into weight categories?

Why are there seperate male and female events?

Timing DOES matter, but breaking balance of a 15 stone guy is great - until he drags you to the ground and happened to be OK at wrestling when he was at school and suddenly your arms are detached from your body.

There are always exceptions (Royce Gracie is often used here) but generally size really does matter.

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#82902 - 04/19/04 07:49 AM Re: Does size matter
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Hi UKfightfreak

Thought this topic had died.

I tend do disagree with you on size matters. Obviously it can if the differences are extreme, however I think that strength is more important.

I generally have no problem with people bigger or smaller than me, but strength is more difficult. I've net some very strong, tough, smaller guys and I'd far rather take on 300lbs of blubber.

JohnL

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#82903 - 04/20/04 07:13 AM Re: Does size matter
UKfightfreak Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JohnL:
Hi UKfightfreak

Thought this topic had died.

I tend do disagree with you on size matters. Obviously it can if the differences are extreme, however I think that strength is more important.

I generally have no problem with people bigger or smaller than me, but strength is more difficult. I've net some very strong, tough, smaller guys and I'd far rather take on 300lbs of blubber.

JohnL
[/QUOTE]

From my experience of different Martial Arts there are always the odd few small fighters that are really tough.

But generally the big guys dominate - thats just from experience.

Strenth is a major factor - but strenth does reflect size (I'm not talking hypotrophy bodybuilding muscles) If you are 200lbs and can squat 200lbs you are going to be stonger than a guy who is 150lbs squating 150lbs - all though relative size they are lifting the same.

Yes technique is very important, yes strenth is important but I still believe smaller guys have to work a lot harder.

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#82904 - 04/20/04 08:01 AM Re: Does size matter
JohnL Offline
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Hi UK

I don't necessarily agree, but just for aruments sake, let's list some advantages of being small.

Shorter limbs - Gives better leaverage for locking.

Smaller - Allows for quicker movement over a short distance.

Shorter - Allows for a quicker change in direction as the center of gravity is lower.

There are others.

For short people, it isn't all bad. I tend to look on the bright side.

JohnL

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#82905 - 04/20/04 10:33 AM Re: Does size matter
the504mikey Offline
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Registered: 06/19/03
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Loc: Louisiana, United States
[QUOTE]
JohnL said:
Shorter limbs - Gives better leaverage for locking.
[/QUOTE]

Most of what you said made sense, but I'm having a little trouble with this one. If you are using your whole body to generate leverage for your locks (and you should be), then the following will generally be true for bigger folks:

1. Movement through their strongest range will cover more distance than movement through the same range would for a smaller person.

2. Changing the height of their center to add power to a technique will be easier to do and have a more pronounced effect.

3. On the defensive side, a bigger person can absorb much more motion of his extremeties without losing his base.

Last night in the dojo we were working on a sort of body turn throw. My partner was a small person, and was having a lot of trouble with it, where it came really naturally for me. Then we realized that if I hold my arm out and pivout my body through 45 degrees at 5'11", it moves a *lot* further than hers does from the same relative position at 5'4".

I often find that when I work with much bigger people I have to add footwork and big shifts of body position to break my partner's balance, but that he can launch me with small, simple movements.

I'm not saying there isn't a bright side to being a shorter person, but I would need more from you to think the bright side applies to locking joints-- we have some guys whose arms are so much longer than other people's that the geometry makes some techniques impossible. Of course, this is a two way street, there some things the big guys can't do to the little guys without getting jammed up. Let's hear it for medium!

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edited to correct some (but probably not all) of the typos...

[This message has been edited by the504mikey (edited 04-20-2004).]

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#82906 - 04/20/04 12:22 PM Re: Does size matter
Dave Offline
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Registered: 04/20/04
Posts: 8
Loc: England
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yoseikan Student:
Yes it does. Big people are, as a rule of thumb, harder to take down. But to quote Thompson its the size of the fight in the dog rather than the size of the dog that counts.

IMHO.

Alec.
[/QUOTE]

Leverage reach and bodyweight does matter by a skilled big person but unskilled it is a disadvantage.

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#82907 - 04/30/04 06:12 PM Re: Does size matter
reaperblack Offline
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Registered: 04/30/04
Posts: 558
Loc: Victoria, BC, Canada
no size doesn't matter, as someone who recently did ukemi for a nanadan I can tell you this, if you can't see the hands, you can't stop the hands. Knowing where to hit is more important that how hard you hit.

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#82908 - 04/30/04 06:15 PM Re: Does size matter
reaperblack Offline
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Registered: 04/30/04
Posts: 558
Loc: Victoria, BC, Canada
something to add, some people are better suited to specific styles because of there size or body structure, tall skinny guys may want to stay away from grappling, or they may want to take it to develop a strength in their weakness. Above all else technique will always win.

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