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#82859 - 06/05/03 05:12 PM Does size matter
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I've started this thread from comments made in another section of the forum.

Does size matter.

Big, small, tall short.

What is the effect.

Anyone with opinions.

JohnL

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#82860 - 06/05/03 07:10 PM Re: Does size matter
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Yes it does. Big people are, as a rule of thumb, harder to take down. But to quote Thompson its the size of the fight in the dog rather than the size of the dog that counts.

IMHO.

Alec.

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#82861 - 06/08/03 03:36 AM Re: Does size matter
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KE = mv2

If the velocity (speed) is 2 times as great, the energy will be 9 times as much ( 32 = 3x3 = 9). http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/energy.htm

If you are half the size punch with twice the speed.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JohnL:
I've started this thread from comments made in another section of the forum.

Does size matter.

Big, small, tall short.

What is the effect.

Anyone with opinions.

JohnL
[/QUOTE]

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#82862 - 06/08/03 06:46 AM Re: Does size matter
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In my opinion size does matter, but only in that large/small heavy/light people have different strengths and weaknesses.
A big person obviously has certain advantages over the smaller person, but a skilled small person can turn these to their own advantage (smaller people are often faster for example).
I also agree with Yoseikan Student's comment
about the size of the fight in the dog.
Sharon

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#82863 - 06/08/03 08:42 AM Re: Does size matter
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Size matters as to what is best suited to the individual; Style, Techniques, Training. Example: Sumo by a "thin person" , better a style that uses finesse and/or speed ie:Jeet Kune Do.

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#82864 - 06/09/03 08:08 AM Re: Does size matter
York Karate Offline
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As was siad mass (size) x speed = velocity (power)

I think you have to be a whole lot better than your attacker to be able to punch twice as fast so overcome mass, and however you spin it size is a factor because you have to find a way to overcome it

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#82865 - 06/09/03 09:59 AM Re: Does size matter
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by York Karate:
As was siad mass (size) x speed = velocity (power)

I think you have to be a whole lot better than your attacker to be able to punch twice as fast so overcome mass, and however you spin it size is a factor because you have to find a way to overcome it
[/QUOTE]

errr.....

are you sure?, i thought that force was the product of mass and velocity and that power was the product of force and velocity. Velocity IS speed (roughly). i can generate a lot of force with high tension and slow movement, aint gonna do a lot of good though is it?

I think we are straying into generalisations, not necessarily a 'bad' thing, but I'd like to emphasise that you only have to hit hard enough, not as hard as your bigger opponent.

Physics is a useful tool for looking at Martial arts, but it is not the be all and end all. If I hit first in the right place with enough power I can drop a heavier opponent. There are so many factors that come into play in a live situation - dojo or not, that its difficult to make predictions based on size alone. If the fight is attrition based (see almost any sport combat) then sure the big guy will often win on the back of muscle mass, weight and structural strength. But as a smaller guy, I DON'T have to play that game.

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#82866 - 06/09/03 08:40 PM Re: Does size matter
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I agree with Yoseiken. A bigger opponent in a kumite match might mean a disadvantage, but thats only because Im not allowed, by rules, to jab his eyes, slam at his throat, or remove his manhood from him.

On the street? I have no pity for anyone who puts me in sucha position where I cannot run, and must fight. They deserve exactly what they get. Big? Small? Doesnt make a difference. Theres no muscles protecting the eyes, throat or groin. Doesnt matter if your arnold freaking shwarzeneggar. You get hit in one of those 3 places, your going down for the count.

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#82867 - 06/10/03 08:03 AM Re: Does size matter
York Karate Offline
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I always hear the small person say I am tough and mean and I will stike the eyes etc

Why is we we always seem to assume that the big person is just big and not trained, tough and mean as well?


Seems short sighted to me.

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#82868 - 06/10/03 08:29 AM Re: Does size matter
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by York Karate:


Why is we we always seem to assume that the big person is just big and not trained, tough and mean as well?

[/QUOTE]

Do we? The big person may be trained or not. If hes big and trained I've got even more problems, but why should that change my approach? I'm willing to adapt to my opponent, but I refuse to have the way I fight dictated by them. (or at least in theory!)

The fight starts, I have to survive. My attitude is and in my humble opinion must be - if hes got a chin, hes going down.

Get in there, get nutty, get out and run away before all his mates pile out of the pub and rip your arms off.

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