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#82728 - 02/19/06 08:20 PM Re: 1-inch punch vs. other punches [Re: 1neikoot]
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and to add on, you can use this punch all the time, it will come often IT DEPENDS HOW YOU TRAIN IT. It will just come naturally later in after buckets of sweat have been shed.

So if you can throw twenty jabs in 10 seconds (a waste of energy in my opinion), you can throw close to the same amount of punches that have some real power in them. A punch where your using the concept of one-inch, is a knock out punch not merely a jab.

However, the disadvantage is it takes alot of energy. But if you notice, throwing 20 jabs in 10 seconds also takes energy, I don't know, but I rather throw 7 good ones and be done with the fight.


Edited by 1neikoot (02/19/06 08:34 PM)

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#82729 - 02/20/06 06:47 AM Re: 1-inch punch vs. other punches [Re: 1neikoot]
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inch power should really not not push your opponent back (thats only for demonstrations), but should drop them on the spot...

Also, if your only going to learn how to 1 inch punch, while having to stand still and relax to do it, it is useless save a gimmick. Learn IMA's and learn how to make every movement fa jing: shoulder, wrist, elbow, knee, kick, punch, push, slap, cut, swipe,throw,chin na, arm break, etc....

In the case of bagua, even inch power when moving...


Edited by BaguaMonk (02/20/06 06:58 AM)
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#82730 - 02/21/06 10:07 PM Re: 1-inch punch vs. other punches [Re: BaguaMonk]
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inch power should really not not push your opponent back (thats only for demonstrations), but should drop them on the spot...

Exactly, thats the whole idea, its pure knock out power if you use it correctly, I mean, alot of people think Lees demonstration of the one-inch is the only type of method which means you have to be very precise, and you need time to get organized and maybe stop and look at your watch......NO!!!

The "CONCEPT" of the one-inch punch can be applied as a regular-normal punch, sure there is a bit physics to it, but once you get good at it it becomes natural and anything else just does'nt seem right and....weak.

I seen guys who weigh 120 pounds and can punch harder than guys who weigh 200 pounds, if that does'nt account for anything but pure effectiveness, than I don't know what does.


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#82731 - 02/23/06 11:30 AM Re: 1-inch punch vs. other punches [Re: 1neikoot]
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Because its a different type of effect, and most people don't have sufficient internal practice to cause any real internal injuries. Yes, they can knock someone a few feet back, maybe even make them loose their breath, but while some people might limit themselves to just one 1" punch, and only one method of doing it, someone is going to be coming at you with fists flying all over the place.....

It just seems that the 1" punch nowdays is a gimmick more than anything. I've seen WC guys who can do it quite well..but they have no internal power.
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#82732 - 02/24/06 05:32 PM Re: 1-inch punch vs. other punches [Re: BaguaMonk]
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"It just seems that the 1" punch nowdays is a gimmick more than anything. I've seen WC guys who can do it quite well..but they have no internal power."

Thats a good point, Wing Chun seems to be more "speed" oriented then anything else.

The main question is and will be, where is the power really coming from???
This is one of the most important questions (my opinion) in Martial Arts.

Things may look great, flashy and look really powerful, but they're not. This is what most people will say, "the hips, the power comes from the hips". Yes, it does, but only a fraction, basically about 15-25 percent of your real power.

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#82733 - 02/26/06 11:06 PM Re: 1-inch punch vs. other punches [Re: 1neikoot]
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In taiji/xingyi/bagua it comes from the whole body, not just hips. The hips are just kind of a vessel to get you there. Starts from Dan Tien (the initial intention and energy discharge), towards the ground, bounces up from the ground, through the legs, waist, arms, palm/fist. No muscular tension really. And long power does not count (pushing them back far away, but no real damage done).

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#82734 - 02/27/06 08:54 AM Re: 1-inch punch vs. other punches [Re: BaguaMonk]
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Thats pritty much the exact same concept in Pak Mei.

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#82735 - 02/27/06 06:58 PM Re: 1-inch punch vs. other punches [Re: 1neikoot]
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Yup, Pak Mei is believed to be a hybrid of both Daoist/Buddhist methods. The jing is a bit more hard than, taiji per se, similar to bagua. The difference in the three main IMA's, for example, is the way the energy is manifested and the different types of energy manifested.

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#82736 - 02/27/06 09:19 PM Re: 1-inch punch vs. other punches [Re: BaguaMonk]
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Quote:

inch power should really not not push your opponent back (thats only for demonstrations), but should drop them on the spot...



I find this comment interesting and I agree. except I'd add that it could be 1" or from guard position for the same effect.

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#82737 - 03/06/06 11:18 PM Re: 1-inch punch vs. other punches [Re: Ed_Morris]
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In my years around punching, the taiji "fa jing" punching is the closest to a 1" punch with any effectiveness that I've seen. The mechanics seem to be:pick your target... full body contraction into the punch... to the point of lifting your feet off the floor and focusing everything at the target.

The rules for doing it are simple... stay completely relaxed, allow the punch to decide when to strike, and HIT AT THE CORRECT ANGLE> I know that sounds strange, but each punch has a correct angle for the force delivery, and if you're off a few degrees, it makes a ton (pun intended) of difference in how much force is delivered to the target.

Erle Montaigue has a great clip demonstrating it on his taijiworld site, and I saw a link to it further back in this thread. Having an effective punch like that is just like going to Carnegie Hall... the way to get there is practice, practice, practice. It's not the dynamite that causes the problem, its the explosion...

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