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#53059 - 01/13/05 07:17 PM Re: Why do people do multiple Martial Art Techniques?
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Please understand that I am not trying to convince but trying to understand why people don't think it is a complication. JKD is a mixture of arts but modified arts nothing is the same, plus once modify and take the time to get the philosophy and science right you will not be able to see the mixture. You have probably seen it because you have read about it.

Let me clear up what I mean by "complete". When the creater develop the style, he did not stop in the middle of the creation he completed it. It is like wrighting a paper and fininshing it to the conclusion, that is what I mean. I truly don't believe their are gaps in Martial Arts, and if it sounds like I did or if I did by accident then I appologize. The creators did not want to do certain things and I believe in not messing with something that seems to work fine.

Now, personnally I do not consider styles like Hapkido to be a blend anymore because they have been created so that it doesn't look like what it came from but to be its own entity just like JKD.

I am not trying to convince and convert just want to understand the everyday Martial Artist.

Thanks for your inputs.

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#53060 - 01/13/05 11:01 PM Re: Why do people do multiple Martial Art Techniques?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Superhumank:
It is like wearing a winter jacket over another winter jacket that just looks different, uncomfortable isn't it.[/QUOTE]

worst analogy ever.

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#53061 - 01/13/05 11:10 PM Re: Why do people do multiple Martial Art Techniques?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by rideonlythelabel:
worst analogy ever.[/QUOTE]

Well sorry, that is all I could think of at the time. Don't have to be that critical!

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#53062 - 01/13/05 11:32 PM Re: Why do people do multiple Martial Art Techniques?
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No ne art has ever got it completely right. Thats why people study multiple arts.

It can become complicated if your learn sixty different katas and 1000s of different techniques. However, isnt the goal to be better? To do this you use what works for you. Take what you can do well from each style. Things that will be easy to perform and will save your life some day. Once you've done this then you find that the list isnt that big at all. From each different style you may only take a few techniques. you might take two or you might take twenty. (doubt it) So if you only have a handful of techniques you can train them more effectively and become even better at what you are already good at. This is how you must defend yourself. Get the opponent to fall into your game, or take him out of his.

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#53063 - 01/14/05 06:09 AM Re: Why do people do multiple Martial Art Techniques?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JoelM:
I know I don't konw everything, but I've never seen a karateka grapple before...
Joel
[/QUOTE]

Well, you haven't seen me!

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#53064 - 01/15/05 12:50 AM Re: Why do people do multiple Martial Art Techniques?
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All American Goju Karate
Guess what? We grapple! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
It has been done for many years, taking one style mixing with what works from another.
Take Goju for example:Shaolin King Fu with emphasis on the whitecrane style/Kempo/Okinawan Te=Goju
That's how it works.We have incorporated groundfighting/grappling into our class because it works.Don't just be a striker or grappler be both. And yeah,we're better for it [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#53065 - 01/15/05 06:41 AM Re: Why do people do multiple Martial Art Techniques?
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Cross training is necessary these days, because like others have said, not all the arts cover everything.

Well, kinda. Let me explain what I mean.

Statement: I do Karate, so have striking skills, but want to grapple.

Now, if you stick to Karate for 40 years, or have the handful of teachers that know grappling bunkai, fine. However, most of us cannot wait that long just to recieve a skill, and why should we? If you want to learn how to grapple, start a BJJ class and you'll learn it right away.

The same applies for every skill one wishes to learn. I posted a thread because I was tird of my art, and wanted to find a combination of a few that would cover everything I need, but couldn't really do it. Weapons (alone this will need at least 2 arts, given that some weapons are not taught in some systems), Grappling, Striking, Pressure Points, Chi Sao, Covering every fighting range, etc.

One art just won't cover it all. The problem is when people start training in lots of arts and become a jack of no trades.

I think the ideal is to combine 2 (3 maximum) arts that should cover everything you as an individual wish to train in.


Mark.

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#53066 - 01/15/05 01:43 PM Re: Why do people do multiple Martial Art Techniques?
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So I believe everyone here believes that a person should practice like two or three MAs so that they can get the skills they want faster, right? That is fine, my problem was that some people thought their were gaps in MA styles, and they wanted to fill them.

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#53067 - 01/15/05 02:13 PM Re: Why do people do multiple Martial Art Techniques?
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Superhumank,

are you reading any of the posts being made?
there are numerous posts all puting together similar, coherent points but you seem unwilling to even consider them

"my problem was that some people thought their were gaps in MA styles, and they wanted to fill them."


wait for this shocking revelation but,
yes there are gaps in martial arts styles, it may not be just a matter of learning them faster with another school - certain things may not exist in certain arts. some arts emphasise weaponry, some dont. some styles grapple, or may have exceptionally good (or bad) footwork and ranges in their system, studying another art to gain these extra points may be the only way to ever experience certain methods and techniques.

say for instance that you wanted to learn how to use and/or defend from a knife attack, my previous system (hapkido) had unrealistic defences that i knew would result in getting cut up quite easily.

after i started practising arnis i found some much more effective methods of defending against knives - because that art specialised in them. in the case of hapkido knife work was underemphasised because it was more concentrating on unarmed vs unarmed defence.

there are many techniques that are complimentary between arts, to use my hapkido/arnis again, i found the unarmed component on arnis to be similar to the joint manipulations of hapkido, and it helped my understanding of both arts

you seem to have this idea that every single art is absolutely perfect and contains every possible technique (if this was so there would be only one martial art with no variance between diferent teachers or schools)

this is also flawed by the simple fact that it is impossible to know and be profficient in every possible technique.

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#53068 - 01/15/05 04:58 PM Re: Why do people do multiple Martial Art Techniques?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Meanstreak:
Superhumank,

are you reading any of the posts being made?
there are numerous posts all puting together similar, coherent points but you seem unwilling to even consider them

"my problem was that some people thought their were gaps in MA styles, and they wanted to fill them."


wait for this shocking revelation but,
yes there are gaps in martial arts styles, it may not be just a matter of learning them faster with another school - certain things may not exist in certain arts. some arts emphasise weaponry, some dont. some styles grapple, or may have exceptionally good (or bad) footwork and ranges in their system, studying another art to gain these extra points may be the only way to ever experience certain methods and techniques.

say for instance that you wanted to learn how to use and/or defend from a knife attack, my previous system (hapkido) had unrealistic defences that i knew would result in getting cut up quite easily.

after i started practising arnis i found some much more effective methods of defending against knives - because that art specialised in them. in the case of hapkido knife work was underemphasised because it was more concentrating on unarmed vs unarmed defence.

there are many techniques that are complimentary between arts, to use my hapkido/arnis again, i found the unarmed component on arnis to be similar to the joint manipulations of hapkido, and it helped my understanding of both arts

you seem to have this idea that every single art is absolutely perfect and contains every possible technique (if this was so there would be only one martial art with no variance between diferent teachers or schools)

this is also flawed by the simple fact that it is impossible to know and be profficient in every possible technique.

[/QUOTE]

I'm trying to read all the posts but it is hard when you've only been for a few weeks. And what I mean by a gap is an incompletion from the creator, a point when creator says, "Well I'll stop there finish later" and something happens, they die and the style is incomplete. Those are gaps, have you ever thought that maybe Karate is a grapple heavy style or BJJ is not a striking heavy style, of course you have, everyone I have read says so. It is just that you want to learn another style because YOU feel incomplete in the style, and that is fine. Every style has its pros and cons, but that is not a gap. And another thing just because something is impractical, it doesn't mean it is a gap.

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