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#436289 - 07/23/14 05:35 AM Re: ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate???? [Re: Dobbersky]
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Well I got the response this morning

Dear Mr. Dobbersky,

I hope that you are very well and thank you for contacting me regarding training.

As Mr. W may have discussed with you it is an organisation policy that students are not permitted
to train with a more junior grade instructor if they hold the same or a higher Dan grade in the same or
similar martial art as TaeKwon-Do.

As regards training with myself, ordinarily you would be most welcome to do so, if yo were training
in TaeKwon-Do only which was the impression that I was under. We tend to follow a very traditional
approach to martial training (handed down from my original instructor) of potentially making a life
long commitment to choosing one teacher/art and then fully immersing ourselves into that. In addition,
this avoids the potential of one teacher (myself) showing any disrespect to your other (Karate) teachers.

So it is with sincere regret that I can not currently offer you a training facility in TaeKwon-Do. I realise
that you may be disappointed with this, so I humbly request you understanding of these traditional methods.
As a fellow martial artist though I wish you a lot of adventure on your training journey and best wishes for your 4th Dan
grading.


Yours sincerely,

Master I
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#436290 - 07/23/14 01:18 PM Re: ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate???? [Re: Dobbersky]
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Dobb


I got to say it, don't know these guys or their org, but that sounds like a weasel response to me.

They just don't want an experienced person in the class.

IMO

"Very traditional" my wrinkled chapped arse.

Back in the day, good students were encouraged to seek out other teachers.

"potentially making a life long commitment"

How would they possibly know what your level of "commitment" might be?
Wonder that their "drop out" rate is right now--with people that have never trained--unlike you that has shown dedication and commitment already.

"potential of showing disrespect"

How would teaching your art possible cause "disrespect" to other teachers?

"so I humbly request you understanding of these traditional methods."

Maybe I'm getting irked over nothing.

But if the guy does not want to train you he should have just said "no thank you---having problems getting my own training in and I just don't have time for new students" Or whatever.

No need for the games.

Keep an eye on this guys school--bet you euro's to crumpets he is shut down this time next year.

On the other hand---better to find out now rather in 6 months these dudes arte not serious.

And on the plus side---narrows down the field.
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#436291 - 07/24/14 07:16 AM Re: ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate???? [Re: Dobbersky]
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My response to Master I

Thank you for your response.

I am the most Senior Instructor in my School. Therefore I have no instructors to be concerned with.

My Training regards the Learning of my karate is complete. The discovery of what itís all about will take a lifetime.

I have no qualms starting as a White belt, I have many students myself who have been black belts in other styles I even allow them to wear their black belts in my class.

I have endeavoured to gain degree level in ITF but I always seem to be disappointed somehow. I was even contemplating representing your school in the open tournaments etc. I will gain degree level in ITF before Iím 50

Never mind, I can understand your position

Thanks so much

OSU!!!

(Osu is a contraction of the words:

&#25276;&#12375; Oshi meaning "Push"

&#24525;&#12406; Shinobu meaning "to Endure"

It means patience, determination and perseverance. Every time we say "Osu", we remind ourselves of this.)
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#436292 - 07/24/14 11:35 AM Re: ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate???? [Re: Dobbersky]
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You handled it much better than I would have.
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#436298 - 07/31/14 12:04 PM Re: ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate???? [Re: cxt]
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Originally Posted By: cxt
You handled it much better than I would have.

I might meet some of his fighers in the future. That will be fun.

I start my new Dojang tomorrow night. looking forward to it.

Thanks
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#436299 - 08/01/14 12:01 PM Re: ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate???? [Re: Dobbersky]
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Please let us know how it goes.

Good luck!
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#436300 - 08/04/14 04:46 AM Re: ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate???? [Re: Dobbersky]
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It went well, The instructor introduced me to all his Dan grades advising my previous experience.

learned the first 2 basic forms within 10 mins. and did a little "self defence"

The guy I was partnered with, a 2nd Degree, was explaining to me as if i was a White belt (which I was wearing), but I behaved humbly as this might be his teaching method

Enjoyed it and looking forward to the next class

thanks
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#436311 - 08/12/14 12:01 PM Re: ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate???? [Re: Dobbersky]
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I would like to know who his instructor is. If I'm not mistaken, Gen. Choi encouraged cross training as he felt it showed Chang Hon (ITF) TKD's superiority. One of the Generals top ranking students, Rhee Ki Ha is in Great Briton, maybe you should reach out to him and find out about "Tradition". I have been welcomed into may dojangs both ITF & WTF to train as well as Japanese styles. And as mentioned earlier much of Chang Hon is based in Shotokan with several patterns looking very similar. Ask the 2nd Dan you worked with to show you the Dan Gun Tul and see if it looks like anything in the Shotokan Kata's!

VDJ

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#436314 - 08/15/14 10:55 AM Re: ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate???? [Re: Dobbersky]
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Master I is a 7th Degree so very close to the original founders in the UK for ITF.

As they say every dissappointment is a hidden blessing
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#436316 - 08/15/14 05:46 PM Re: ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate???? [Re: Dobbersky]
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GM Rhee Ki Ha 9th Dan and is one of the Pioneers. Just saying.

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