I disagree with Dobbersky that MMA will get watered down. The common issue Karate and MMA have is money. In karate, the big money is in having a large school(s) with lots of students who show up regularly. With MMA attendance is also helpful, but a lot of money can be made producing successful fighters who earn millions of dollars.
I disagree with your reasoning here Prizewriter. The gyms and fighters making the big money are few and far between. Especially out of the states (perhaps?). There are many people who train without ever wanting to go pro or get in the ring. I also wonder how long MMA gyms will be able to justify charging so much to train. If UFC type MMA’s popularity has peaked (not sure it has) but also when the current generation decide to teach and open new schools prices might become more competitive.
I agree that MMA will not get watered down in the same way as some traditional MA’s have. Here I’d compare it to Judo or boxing where any weaknesses that arise (are brought in) are soon exposed by the nature of the training itself.
As with all MA trends, faux MMA schools do pop up. Schools with no experience in say wrestling and ground fighting add ‘MMA’ to their repertoire as if it were a variation on a punch or kick.
I understand that people have invested a lot in time, money and dedication to training in karate here. I think that some of the arguments sound like those of pre-MMA karate where I remember hearing the argument that went something like ‘If he’d studied real karate, he’d have hit him and stopped that take-down’. Now it sounds like I’m mocking, but this was genuine, widespread thinking in TMA.
Well I think that popularisation of Karate, Japanise Karate evolving to sport and etc is the fault of nearly everything I find [censored] about Karate now.
I agree even Kyokushin could be deemed as Sports Karate in a way
I was unaware that there was any argument that kyokushin was anything but sportified karate? Isn’t it’s history built on challenge matches and such? Certainly doesn't seem to have done it too much harm.
but where do we go for True Karate.
It would be EXCELLENT if you could put something like a definition of what you think true karate is.
I might give you some options:
a) What old/ancient Karate was
b) A complete fighting system
The evidence suggests you can’t have both.