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#436038 - 10/15/13 07:32 AM Self Defence - forget the rest.....
Dobbersky Offline
Peace Works!!!!

Registered: 03/13/06
Posts: 921
Loc: Manchester United Kingdom
Why do these sites pop up even advertised on here declaring that what you been practicing for years is a waste of time and just downloading this Book/DVD/training Course will make you invincible.

Similar to this one

I wouldn't waste my money on them, but people are "Sold" on them Why is this.

They looking for the quick fix without putting the time in.

What's your view on them and have anyone acutally downloaded them etc.

A man is but the product of his thoughts what he thinks, he becomes.


#436039 - 10/16/13 05:40 AM Re: Self Defence - forget the rest..... [Re: Dobbersky]
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I think if you want to learn physical skills purely to defend yourself, it should take as little time as possible.

A lot of martial arts seem to say "It'll take 5 years to get to a good level". The bottom line is with work, study, family etc.... people just don't have a lot of time to train. People in days gone by seemed to have nothing to do but train. Times have changed.

A lot of people have found that martial arts ask an awful lot but offer little in return. Here is a great blog about that very point:

I've certainly heard that opinion more than a few times. So I can see that if a course offers results in a quarter of the time of traditional martial arts, that can be appealing.

Additionally, as Cord pointed out a while back, public perception of TMA has shifted over this last generation. TMA are seen as more as a joke rather than a serious system of self-defense. Look at Ross in Friends or Dwight in the Office (US). That could put people off too. People see stuff like Krav Maga, online programs or even MMA as offering better value for money.
"Let your food be your medicine, and your medicine be your food" Hippocrates.

#436040 - 10/16/13 09:34 AM Re: Self Defence - forget the rest..... [Re: Dobbersky]
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Agreed, the only thing is that many declare their opinions on their experiences of McDojos not mainstream clubs
A man is but the product of his thoughts what he thinks, he becomes.


#436041 - 10/17/13 02:37 PM Re: Self Defence - forget the rest..... [Re: Dobbersky]
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Good post--weird situation, people would not keep putting this dreck online UNLESS it was making them some $$$$$.

It is a shame and disgusting that such sites/sales pitches not only work but that people are willing to "buy" such things.

Getting good at ANYTHING takes time, effort and dedication. Anyone tells you differently.....they are probably lying to you.

You get what you pay for and you pay for what you get.
I did battle with ignorance today.......and ignorance won. Huey.

#436042 - 10/17/13 05:57 PM Re: Self Defence - forget the rest..... [Re: Dobbersky]
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Registered: 10/16/13
Posts: 1
I doubt any students really get any value from those. This type of training material may end up like most home gym equipment -- collecting dust.


Please do not advertise in your signature. Thank you.

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#436049 - 10/26/13 07:28 PM Re: Self Defence - forget the rest..... [Re: Dobbersky]
Christie Offline

Registered: 07/12/05
Posts: 872
Loc: Waterloo, ON
Those types of "programs" make their money off the same people that gyms do. It's not the dedicated regulars, it's the people that sign up for memberships, go for a week, lose motivation, but keep the membership at the gym they never go to because they'll definitely get started next week. There is a lot of research in psychology that has shown relationships between the increase in computer processing speeds and the reduction in the average attention span. We're becoming used to getting things when we want them, where we want them, and in a fraction of a second. There have always been people who want things without the hard work, but we now live in a society that is structured to breed them.


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